He is in prison in El Salvador because El Salvador thinks he belongs there. They are a foreign sovereign power and free to choose who they imprison, including in cooperation with the US.

Again, even if the Salvadoran government was willing to entertain our kafkaesque bureaucratic insanity, all that would be accomplished by releasing him to the US would be the lifting of his now defunct protection order, his immediate deportation back to El Salvador where they'd imprison him once again

US courts have zero jurisdiction to make demands of a sovereign foreign power but if they're going to usurp that constitutional authority maybe they can use it for something a little less stupid

See how you are dodging the point to misinform people? He is still there because El Salvador does not want to give him back (maybe because he is dead already, although this is speculation). He got there completely independent on El Salvadors opinion on that, he got there because you guys deported him there.

The last paragraph: exactly that is what the sc said 9:0. We don't think the government can be forced by the lower court to get him back, but you should.

I am aware that you are not stupid Goom, you just have an agenda to downplay the events for whatever reason.

For the people who have more trouble thinking: If the government can send you to El Salvador by administrative error and then claim they just can't get you back (whoopsie, sorry) the can disappear literally anybody.

This post was edited by SkySwallower on Apr 16 2025 06:07am

He is there in the first place for the same reason he is still there and same reason he would be put right back if we used him for an obscene human yo-yo routine of flying him to the US to sign a 27b stroke 6 form before yeeting him back, while the Brazil theme played.
Because El Salvador puts gang members in prison and keeps them there, and thats why their murder rate dropped from 89 to 1.9 per 100k

Thats their choice, we do not force them to do our bidding, if we did the neoliberal world order would have salvadorans still killing each other for scraps of drug money so coastal elites can snort cocaine while listening to kanye rap about blood diamonds

You are arguing a point nobody is talking about because you like the numbers, what kind of stupid debate tactic is that?

I really do not care about how El Salvador treats their terrorists and cartel members, and I don't even really care about the suspicious lack of court trials in El Salvador.

You had a judges order to not deport him to El Salvador and ignored it due to "administrative error". The supreme court argued you should get him back and give him due process (obviously, that's what the SC has to do).

Most people here apparently think it is no biggie to deport people to their death (probably), if they once were suspected (but never confirmed) to be gang members, even if a judge says you can't. Independent from how horrific that stance is should everybody be concerned about a one way pipeline into a prison with no return if even judges can't protect you from it.

This post was edited by SkySwallower on Apr 16 2025 06:17am

Some of us aren't legally illiterate and have a basic understanding of legal concepts like jurisdiction, standing and remedy. We don't operate revtribunals of soviet commissars. Courts in the US don't get to adjudicate every dispute nor offer advisory opinions and we made sure to enshrine their limitation to actual resolvable disputes right in Article III
Something can be wrong or illegal without being justiciable. Courts can no more command a foreign government than they can command the dead to rise as shadowy minions for three minutes.

So to be clear, you do agree the man should not have been deported, should come back if possible, but the courts can neither force the US government nor El Salvador to get/give him back/reanimate him if already killed?

Because that is exactly what the SC said but very far from what you are arguing for 11 pages by now.

No, he was liable for deportation, but the fact that he was swept up and sent to El Salvador when as he was was in error. He is a citizen of El Salvador currently in El Salvador. If he were the citizen of another country I might feel differently. Whether or not he comes back to be immediately deported again is a strange hill to die on.

I am asking Goom, who wanted to argue on legal terms which are tbh very clear. Yes, giving people due process is the hill the justice system wants to die on, it depends on it.

As a side note, there a multiple Venezuelans currently in El Salvador who also had no trial and were in the asylum process (aka trying to stay in the US "the legal way"), so does that make you feel differently? See J.G.G v. Trump.

you are wrong he was granted withholding of removal in 2011. with that order you could never become a citizen so even once he got married he was still a non citizen. the govt can also revoke that protection. "If conditions improve in a person's home country, the government can revoke withholding of removal and again seek the person's deportation. This can occur even years after a person is granted protection."

1. 2019
2. Yes there is a process to do that, which the government did not follow. They could also have deported him somewhere else legally which they also did not