Well case in point, the very story we're discussing in this thread
This guy was illegally deported, in violation of a judge's order. But he's also an illegal alien who was subject to deportation, and the order for deportation only blocked due to the moon logic that he was at risk of gang violence from a rival gang, while he was identified as MS13. And yet, if he was released from the Salvadoran prison tomorrow and his return facilitated by the Trump administration, he'd still be an illegal alien subject to deportation to El Salvador and the order blocking it would be rescinded because there's no risk of gang violence in the country anymore, and he'd be deported immediately, right back to El Salvador. Where he'd be put in the same prison as an MS13 member.
Is he wrongly incarcerated? Is the accusation of his gang membership true, and does he deserve to be locked up in a salvadoran hellhole?

The Salvadoran people voted for this draconian system because it was the logical way to bring order to a country completely wracked by drug gang violence. It meant locking up people without the due process they would be entitled in an American system. It mean the kind of over the top police state we expect from societies like Singapore that we acknowledge as having functional, yet repressive systems. So that begs the question of whether we can impose our own idea of what is right or wrong on other countries and say something is wrongly imprisoned there. Its clearly right that the illegal alien from El Salvador is supposed to be deported back to his home country when its safe to do so and he has no valid grounds for asylum. We could say that once he's back, its their problem to sort out, their country, their laws, their moral relativism. Or we could insist on imposing our own values and say Navy SEALS should bust in there guns blazing and deliver white hot bolts of liberty and democracy to save brown people from themselves, which is more or less what Chris Van Hollen wants as he tests out whether the Logan Act is enforceable in 2025

And the same prison the gangs are in that were a threat to his life according to the judge ruling from 2019, very convenient to leave that out.

Also lol @ the rest of the post, by now Trump said multiple times that he wants to deport US citizens to the exact same prison. He also deported Venezuleans to the same El Salvador prison already, so your whole argument is bulld on the false assumption "we only send El Salvadorians to El Salvador, that has to be correct".

Edit: I stopped trying to convince you guys that your country is a shithole without the rule of law, I think I made myself clear on that. I will just keep pointing out in the thread if Goomshill posts wall of texts that are mostly lies or half truths at best because it is both easy and fun.

This post was edited by SkySwallower on Apr 16 2025 02:28am

I’m sorry this was “rant-like”.

Are you saying he isn’t a citizen of El Salvador? Or are you saying we should deport people to a country of their choice?

I’m really not sure what you are implying. Even if this man wasn’t sent to CECOT he’d have been deported because he was asked to leave of his own accord when they revoked his asylum status. He’d still have been AT LEAST deported to El Salvador ( his country of origin) and that government would have been waiting to put him in CECOT anyways.

Even the DHS said if he is brought back they’d arrest him and send him back to El Salvador of which Xinis replied they they could not prevent that but at least he wouldn’t be in CECOT. Bukele stated he’d be back in CECOT In that case because in El Salvador he is considered a terrorist.

This post was edited by MadMan87 on Apr 16 2025 05:28am

Haha

he would not be deporting. its more out sourcing to save tax payer money in some states tax payers pay 40k per prisoner. its a win win for good people who are taxed into poverty

And? They are in prison. And no longer free to threaten him, as he claimed in his story.
You want to create a precedent that we won't deport people to countries we recognize as safe, with functional justice systems, because they might face violence in prison if they are imprisoned? lmao
whats next, we can't deport illegals because they would be at risk of nosebleeds at high altitudes and concussions during sports

Sidenote: I also like how Goom keeps implying that the supreme court sided with Trump, when all they literally said was "Deporting him was wrong and you should get him back, we just do not see how and in which way the other court expects you to". You can read the statement yourself, it's only 2 pages long.

Third world prisons, famously known to be very safe spaces for everybody. Note that while gooms keeps falsely implying that he landed in CECOT because El Salvador thinks he belongs there, this is a lie.

I think this was part of my frustration. We can have differing view points on a great many things which is fine and to be expected. Some folks will be duped by misinformation, which is unfortunate. But to spread misinformation fully knowing it’s misinformation just grinds my gears.

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It’s becoming a bit looney. I feel like some liberals live in this “candyland” in their head where everyone is a good person and the world is made of cake and candy.

The basic reality of this case is he was allowed asylum. Then later his asylum was revoked through the legal process and he was asked to return to his country of origin (via court order I add. It’s funny how they expect Trump to follow court orders when this individual even remaining in our country was a violation of his court order). He never complied and was arrested during the sweep and because he was already an ADMITTED member of ms13 (he admitted it to get asylum in the first place) he was sent to CECOT. He had his due process. It was justified. The liberal media can twist it and get people riled up all they want but the fact is of ALL the possible wrongly imprisoned people in CECOT sent there from the US the media picked a guy that is not innocent. They simply picked him because his family has the biggest mouths and talk enough for the media to make a story out of it.

Remember when the media said he was never identified as a gang member? CNN said that then released he was given asylum as a member of ms13 to escape the wrath of a rival gang a week or two later. They keep changing the narrative and people actually run with it like chickens following a feed bag.

This post was edited by MadMan87 on Apr 16 2025 05:54am