Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 15 2025 06:33pm)

How about if an economist advocated protectionist trade policies and rejected the neoliberal orthodox opinion that free trade is a positive sum game, should his home be raided in the middle of the night and he get hauled off to prison for dissent?

Quote (TeenyUncle8 @ Apr 15 2025 07:48pm)

I literally have no idea what you’re talking about. But quality deflection I suppose.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 15 2025 07:17pm)

I am referring to that time an economist advocated protectionist trade policies and rejected the neoliberal orthodox opinion that free trade is a positive sum game, so the Biden administration raided his home in the middle of the night and threw him in prison for dissenting.

Quote (TeenyUncle8 @ Apr 15 2025 08:23pm)

Madmen- we should deport American citizens
Me- you sure that’s a good idea?
Goomshill- vague reference to something democrats may have done that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the topic

You know what? I’ll just generically agree with you. Knowing nothing about it I’ll agree we shouldn’t silence viewpoints (like is happening in this country right now). Still had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 15 2025 07:33pm)

I don't understand your problem here. ^MadMan87 made a point explaining how Trump laid out his policy to apply to the worst violent criminals, already convicted of crimes and served due process, as well as adding the caveat that he's only exploring whether said option is legal and would not pursue if its not. You then deflected to some unrelated point about the January 6th riot, where people were zealously overprosecuted for what should be misdemeanor trespassing and disorderly conduct, or not prosecuted at all for the likes of those who didn't even attend the protest but were arrested on sedition charges for being political opponents of Biden. I then replied in kind by taking it to a mirrored unrelated point about how Peter Navarro was imprisoned by Biden for illegal economic theories. Then you complain that I'm drawing us away from the original topic, as if you didn't just go off about January 6th.

Quote (TeenyUncle8 @ Apr 15 2025 07:07pm)

How about if you assaulted police officers on or around January 6th of 2021? Should those criminals have been deported?

Asking for a friend.

Quote (MadMan87 @ Apr 15 2025 08:15pm)

As I’ve already said 10+ times. Yes. Done trying to be a one sided one trick pony with that grade school style “But they did this!” response? I think most level headed people consider Jan 6 a punishable offense at least and in my opinion it’s treason.

Quote (TeenyUncle8 @ Apr 15 2025 09:34pm)

That’s fair. Admittedly I don’t follow PARD that closely and there is a huge spectrum of responses (ie like goomshill’s response that it should be misdemeanor trespassing and more pronounced responses).

As to deporting American citizens it’s widely agreed to be obviously illegal and sets a pretty terrible and scary precedent if the US government starts exiling American citizens to other countries for punishment and detainment.

Quote (MadMan87 @ Apr 15 2025 10:23pm)

Unfortunately some American criminals don’t deserve to be in our prison system. Predators, people who commit elderly, child or animal abuse. Rapists. Murderers (with a few aggravated exceptions). These types don’t deserve the tax dollars we put into them. CECOT is undeniably cheaper due to the standards there are lower.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Apr 15 2025 10:29pm)

Id agree, but there is a significant amount of wrongly incarcerated. The problem with US prison system is many institutions shifted to rehabilitation model. Seems cheaper to run them as actual prisons. I'm assuming there is some lobby in US that advocated for rehab crap as a front to enrich these places.