Quote (RedFromWinter @ Apr 15 2025 02:04pm)

Goom already gave us the spark notes son. I don't have anything further to add other than than let's not circle

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 14 2025 03:41pm)

Yeah but Jewish is a protected trait and something you're born
I was thinking a child molester could be barred from deportation because in his home country he'd have access to too many children

The court actually argued that this guy was an MS13 member and was at risk of violence from rival Barrio 18 and found that as grounds to block his deportation. That's the kind of bureaucratic insanity that tells me you need to fire everyone involved and DOGE the whole system. Now was he actually an MS13 member? The same court that blocked his deportation in the first place is the one that recognized the validity of his identification as an MS13 member. Which of course is reason to doubt it.

And now that he's in El Salvador with the ball in President Bukakke's court, he's incredulous about the request for him to release someone we identified as a terrorist to him, even as we continue to identify him as a terrorist.
That's one thing about national sovereignty, we cannot export America's bureaucratic insanity to the rest of the world, Bukele was elected precisely because of his Territorial Control Plan and the promise to lock up gang members en masse and here a US court is trying to order him to release one;



I mean this entire case reads like some orwellian nightmare. If the guy is an MS13 member, he should be deported. If a court says rival gang violence is a reason not to be deported, that court should be taken offline and the judge relieved and he should be deported. If he's not an MS13 member, then he's been in our country for 6 years despite being subject to deportation order that can't be enforced because he we don't send people to third countries, and he would still be subject to deportation as an illegal alien who crossed into our country illegally in 2011. Which would get him deported to El Salvador. Where he would have his chance to argue he's not an MS13 member to his countrymen, and probably get imprisoned as an MS13 member. His asylum request for facing gang violence was already rejected, would we have a court in the US give him a chance to argue asylum on the basis that if he's deported he'd face legal jeopardy for being falsely accused of being an MS13 member? Except than we'd be effectively sanctioning the entire El Salvadoran justice system and violating their sovereignty by rejecting their own legal process and determinations. We don't recognize them as a tyrannical state, as a terrorist regime or despots, we cooperate with them.

Quote (SkySwallower @ Apr 15 2025 07:09am)

Fair enough, I have been repeating myself 5 times by now. Honestly I also knew beforehand how pointless it is to try to argue to people who made Trump their whole identity on why some of his action are either dangerous, idiotic or sometimes both - you will follow him to the grave (or El Salvador in this case), that much is clear.

Cheers

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Apr 15 2025 06:15am)

Hard to engage you before when you buried your head to a primary source while complaining it was not spoon feed to you.

The majority of the US voted for the Mandate, not Trump that is why he won. Identity politics was a failed strategy this go around.

If a genuine US citizen is deported, I guarantee you those being indifferent to this or defending it will be singing another tune. Many of us were very outspoken about Obama era NDAA setting the base for indefinite detention of US citizens affiliated with vague terrorist designated entities. Details matters

Quote (TeenyUncle8 @ Apr 15 2025 07:58am)

I hate the discussions on “mandates”. In a 2-party system, winning 1.5% more of the vote means you won. But that’s about the extent of it. It shouldn’t or doesn’t mean than either party has a mandate to do everything they want and the opposing party can fuck right off.

Politicians push this narrative because they want the excuse to ignore the opposition. But it should be pretty obvious that an election was far from unanimous.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Apr 15 2025 08:10am)

He won both electoral and populus mate.

Quote (SkySwallower @ Apr 15 2025 08:09am)

Fair enough, I have been repeating myself 5 times by now. Honestly I also knew beforehand how pointless it is to try to argue to people who made Trump their whole identity on why some of his action are either dangerous, idiotic or sometimes both - you will follow him to the grave (or El Salvador in this case), that much is clear.

Cheers

Quote (SkySwallower @ Apr 15 2025 05:09am)

Fair enough, I have been repeating myself 5 times by now. Honestly I also knew beforehand how pointless it is to try to argue to people who made Trump their whole identity on why some of his action are either dangerous, idiotic or sometimes both - you will follow him to the grave (or El Salvador in this case), that much is clear.

Cheers

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Apr 15 2025 07:10am)

He won both electoral and populus mate.