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Apr 14 2025 07:04pm
I never said there were not ANY cultural factors, though. I just think focusing on race (and by extension a culture of a particular race) is racism. By definition.
As for statistics. Statistics lie, people lie, biases affect all statistics.
If you really want to be the kind of person to blame the skin color on a greater issue. Go ahead. You're just a fool for doing so.




If its true, its not racism. Its just a fact. Its another one of those quibbles over definitions that flips the entire purpose of human language and discourse on its head, obfuscating the flow of information rather than describing it. The definition of racism is prejudice or discrimination on the basis of race rooted in ignorance or bigotry. If an observation is verifiably true, it isn't prejudicial or discriminatory and to deny it on the basis of race would itself be ignorantly racist. And funnily enough, if a bunch of elite liberal white people get together and decide that black people should be stuck mired in poverty, gangs, drugs and violence because we'd rather deny the root causes of their cultural issues and keep them as a permanently subjugated underclass rather than help them uplift themselves, well that sure sounds to me like racism.
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Yes. Are you trying to equate white homeless people as being part of the hood culture?


No offense but I don't believe you. If you really do not think white people are a part of hood culture in many places in our country you haven't been around much. I wasn't talking about homeless people. I'm not sure why you would bring that up? As if there's not black homeless people??
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If its true, its not racism. Its just a fact. Its another one of those quibbles over definitions that flips the entire purpose of human language and discourse on its head, obfuscating the flow of information rather than describing it. The definition of racism is prejudice or discrimination on the basis of race rooted in ignorance or bigotry. If an observation is verifiably true, it isn't prejudicial or discriminatory and to deny it on the basis of race would itself be ignorantly racist. And funnily enough, if a bunch of elite liberal white people get together and decide that black people should be stuck mired in poverty, gangs, drugs and violence because we'd rather deny the root causes of their cultural issues and keep them as a permanently subjugated underclass rather than help them uplift themselves, well that sure sounds to me like racism.


Observations cannot be "verifiably true" in this case. If a white man mugs me and I assume white people must be violent because of this. Then I am wrong.

The same goes for any race. Which by the way, a white man has mugged me more than once.
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Apr 14 2025 07:08pm
Again, I never said there wasn't a cultural factor. I just said poverty is the largest factor. And I think it's the most important thing to address.
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Apr 14 2025 07:10pm
No offense but I don't believe you. If you really do not think white people are a part of hood culture in many places in our country you haven't been around much. I wasn't talking about homeless people. I'm not sure why you would bring that up? As if there's not black homeless people??


I mean I don't care what you believe or not. Also based on your post above, I can see why you're biased towards white people and are emotionally captured instead of trying to use logic.
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Apr 14 2025 07:11pm
No offense but I don't believe you. If you really do not think white people are a part of hood culture in many places in our country you haven't been around much. I wasn't talking about homeless people. I'm not sure why you would bring that up? As if there's not black homeless people??


Unless someone has lived in an actual ghetto or hood, they have little perspective. It's not something to be proud of, be glad you get out if that's where you come from.
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Apr 14 2025 07:12pm
Observations cannot be "verifiably true" in this case. If a white man mugs me and I assume white people must be violent because of this. Then I am wrong.
The same goes for any race. Which by the way, a white man has mugged me more than once.


There are plenty of verifiably true observations on the basis of race that distinguishes one from another, and with understood causation. Black people from subsaharan african backgrounds and their diaspora/spread to neighboring areas have far higher rates of sickle cell anemia because it evolved as a defense against Malaria. Northern Europeans get cystic fibrosis. Ashkenazi Jews get Tay-Sachs at a 1:3600 rate, guess god chose them in particular.

There is an overwhelming body of evidence to support that violent crime is causatively linked with black culture, and the same evidence utterly repudiates the opposite claim that violence crime is a product foremost of poverty because the inflated rates are plainly income-agnostic.
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Apr 14 2025 07:13pm
I mean I don't care what you believe or not. Also based on your post above, I can see why you're biased towards white people and are emotionally captured instead of trying to use logic.


I am white. I have seen more white people commit crimes and violence than any other race but because of my logic I do not assume that is because white people are the most violent people. I simply lived in an area where the majority of underprivileged people were white. I really do not believe our race had anything to do with it. Nor do I believe does anyone else's.
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Apr 14 2025 07:21pm
There are plenty of verifiably true observations on the basis of race that distinguishes one from another, and with understood causation. Black people from subsaharan african backgrounds and their diaspora/spread to neighboring areas have far higher rates of sickle cell anemia because it evolved as a defense against Malaria. Northern Europeans get cystic fibrosis. Ashkenazi Jews get Tay-Sachs at a 1:3600 rate, guess god chose them in particular.

There is an overwhelming body of evidence to support that violent crime is causatively linked with black culture, and the same evidence utterly repudiates the opposite claim that violence crime is a product foremost of poverty because the inflated rates are plainly income-agnostic.


You see this is the problem. You are right about sickle cell anemia and cystic fibrosis. (I don't know about the other.) But you're jumping to conclusions.

Even if we say we do find empirical evidence that one race is more inclined towards violence than another.. what does that serve to do? This is why I reject the idea of scientific racism. I would rather live in a world where even if a group has a predisposition to something, we all have the expectations to be treated equally.
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Apr 14 2025 07:28pm
You see this is the problem. You are right about sickle cell anemia and cystic fibrosis. (I don't know about the other.) But you're jumping to conclusions.

Even if we say we do find empirical evidence that one race is more inclined towards violence than another.. what does that serve to do? This is why I reject the idea of scientific racism. I would rather live in a world where even if a group has a predisposition to something, we all have the expectations to be treated equally.


It allows us to understand and diagnosis the problem, a necessary step towards resolving it.
A world in which we ignore problems because they involve race is one in which we are being racist against the people who need remedy. Which tends to be the position of ivory tower liberals, who would happily see black people free to be put in a cage in Harlem in New York City and free to be put in a cage on the south side of Chicago and the west side, gathering them up from miles around. If the social scientists had their way, which in many ways they are, we'll wind up killing black people because we're failing to diagnosis and treat preventable illnesses let alone cultural issues. And that's actually a showdown occurring right now in academia and the health care industry, lord knows covid 19 was a flashpoint.
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