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Apr 14 2025 03:10pm
If they are making a terrorist claim and can't prove it then there is a serious problem with what's happened currently.

I'll do my part as a citizen and wait for evidence before jumping to conclusions.
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Apr 14 2025 03:13pm
And if he is found guilty of actually being involved with ms-13 how will you respond?


He was already found to be an MS13 member by the immigration court in 2019. Its not a criminal charge, the recognition isn't entitled to due process since its not subject to criminal sanction, it was just a data point used in determining his status and the basis for denying his bond request, which was upheld by a second court. Whether he is or isn't an MS13 member in actuality, it was the finding of the government and held up in court.
What was a crime for which he was liable was his illegal entry into the country in 2011 when he crossed the border. Something the court recognized as undisputed and is an unambiguous crime, but for which we don't prosecute people in criminal court when we can just deport them in immigration courts instead.

He had no right to be in the country and only a rather insane rationale let him stay when a court accepted the identification of him as an MS13 member but still granted him a withholding of removal on the basis of rival gang violence. And now that he's in El Salvador, they recognize him as a member of a terrorist group and won't release him. What is America's responsibility in all this? He isn't our citizen, he isn't subject to our laws or jurisdiction. If he was deported to the wrong country in error, too bad, but considering he crossed into our country illegally that just seems like its evening out the score and now there's no onus on America to act on his behalf.
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Apr 14 2025 03:14pm
Idk why you feel the need for the government to cater to your need of media attention prior to them acting upon a terrorist. It's almost as of you'd rather see the news say, "we have evidence that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a terrorist with the gang ms-13 so now that you are aware of that fact we will now go and pick him up". Which would be stupid for them to show the world their evidence first before acting on it.

Again, you do not know for sure if he is a terrorist or not and if he is it's literally disgusting you care more about them taking a process rather doing what's best for the safety of our country and its citizens.


Yes, I am very clear about that? Due process is a prerequisite for rule of law. Make sure you are allowed to deport him, then deport him. If you are not allowed to deport him currently but really think you should be, change the law.

Same way if you get accused of rape or murder and instead of getting lynched you get to make your case in court, might turn out you are innocent - would be not great if you were lynched by then, would it?
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Apr 14 2025 03:20pm
He was already found to be an MS13 member by the immigration court in 2019. Its not a criminal charge, the recognition isn't entitled to due process since its not subject to criminal sanction, it was just a data point used in determining his status and the basis for denying his bond request, which was upheld by a second court. Whether he is or isn't an MS13 member in actuality, it was the finding of the government and held up in court.
What was a crime for which he was liable was his illegal entry into the country in 2011 when he crossed the border. Something the court recognized as undisputed and is an unambiguous crime, but for which we don't prosecute people in criminal court when we can just deport them in immigration courts instead.

He had no right to be in the country and only a rather insane rationale let him stay when a court accepted the identification of him as an MS13 member but still granted him a withholding of removal on the basis of rival gang violence. And now that he's in El Salvador, they recognize him as a member of a terrorist group and won't release him. What is America's responsibility in all this? He isn't our citizen, he isn't subject to our laws or jurisdiction. If he was deported to the wrong country in error, too bad, but considering he crossed into our country illegally that just seems like its evening out the score and now there's no onus on America to act on his behalf.


Ahhhh, ty for clarifying on the previous points.

Makes this thread absolutely pointless.
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Apr 14 2025 03:21pm
He was already found to be an MS13 member by the immigration court in 2019. Its not a criminal charge, the recognition isn't entitled to due process since its not subject to criminal sanction, it was just a data point used in determining his status and the basis for denying his bond request, which was upheld by a second court. Whether he is or isn't an MS13 member in actuality, it was the finding of the government and held up in court.
What was a crime for which he was liable was his illegal entry into the country in 2011 when he crossed the border. Something the court recognized as undisputed and is an unambiguous crime, but for which we don't prosecute people in criminal court when we can just deport them in immigration courts instead.

He had no right to be in the country and only a rather insane rationale let him stay when a court accepted the identification of him as an MS13 member but still granted him a withholding of removal on the basis of rival gang violence. And now that he's in El Salvador, they recognize him as a member of a terrorist group and won't release him. What is America's responsibility in all this? He isn't our citizen, he isn't subject to our laws or jurisdiction. If he was deported to the wrong country in error, too bad, but considering he crossed into our country illegally that just seems like its evening out the score and now there's no onus on America to act on his behalf.


On April 10, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador to be illegal. The court rejected the administration's defense that they had no jurisdiction over El Salvador to bring him back, with Justice Sotomayor noting that the argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene." The administration has defended the deportation in the press by accusing Abrego Garcia of membership in the MS-13 gang, a U.S.-designated terrorist organization. No charges have been filed against Garcia.

You could read the wiki article in the first post and findd out that your highest court ruled 9-0 that it was illegal to deport him. There is literally no legal question about what happened.
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Apr 14 2025 03:24pm
Yes, I am very clear about that? Due process is a prerequisite for rule of law. Make sure you are allowed to deport him, then deport him. If you are not allowed to deport him currently but really think you should be, change the law.

Same way if you get accused of rape or murder and instead of getting lynched you get to make your case in court, might turn out you are innocent - would be not great if you were lynched by then, would it?


Why is the law important for a terrorist of the country?

Why do you support terrorists?

Seriously, if Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and threat to the country why on Earth do you support the catering of American Law for them if they are not a citizen of the country?

Make it make sense.

Let's say you invaded another country with the intent in doing harm in cooperation with a terrorist organization against the country would you expect them to give you special treatment?
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Apr 14 2025 03:24pm
Ahhhh, ty for clarifying on the previous points.

Makes this thread absolutely pointless.


You should also read the wiki article, it might help you understand what is actually happening. It has citations and sources, so you can verify it is actually truthful compared to the half truths goomshill is pushing to influence gullible rubes.
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Apr 14 2025 03:25pm
You should also read the wiki article, it might help you understand what is actually happening. It has citations and sources, so you can verify it is actually truthful compared to the half truths goomshill is pushing to influence gullible rubes.


I read the whole article.
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Apr 14 2025 03:26pm
You should also read the wiki article!


Into the trash it goes.
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Apr 14 2025 03:27pm
I read the whole article.


In March 2019, Prince George's County, Maryland, police arrested Abrego Garcia with three other men in a Home Depot parking lot where they were seeking work as day laborers.[2][8] One of the men claimed Abrego Garcia was a "gang member," but The Atlantic reported that according to court filings, the man offered no proof and police said they did not believe him.[8] Abrego Garcia was never charged with a crime in connection to his arrest.[18]

Police handed custody of Abrego Garcia over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for deportation proceedings. In those proceedings, the government claimed that he was a member of the MS-13 criminal gang because "he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie" and a confidential informant claimed that he was active with an MS-13 group based in New York.[2] An immigration judge determined that the informant's claim[19] was sufficient evidence for denying Abrego Garcia’s bond request, and another judge upheld that ruling, saying the claim that Abrego Garcia was in MS-13 for purposes of the bond determination was not clearly wrong.[17] Abrego Garcia has consistently denied any connection to MS-13.[20]

While awaiting resolution to his deportation proceedings, Abrego Garcia married his girlfriend in June 2019, and they had a child together later that year who is a U.S. citizen. His wife also had two children from an earlier relationship, and all three children have special needs.[2] Abrego Garcia and his family live in Maryland.[8][4]

In 2019, with his lawyer, Abrego Garcia fought allegations against him in deportation proceedings in court and applied for asylum.[21] His request for asylum was denied, as one must submit an asylum application within a year of arriving in the U.S.[2] However, the judge granted him "withholding of removal" status that would block his deportation to El Salvador due to the threat that gangs would pose to him, finding that "he was more likely than not to be harmed if he was returned to El Salvador."[8][22] He was granted a work permit,[23] and has lived and worked legally in Maryland since.[24]

You read this and your take away is that everybody is sure he is a terrorist that deserves to die because he entered the US illegally with 16 and despite a judge and literally all sc justices agreeing that he should not be deported?
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