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Literally no reason to try to get overpriced rare spears.

Super high base crit chance on TT and double crit proc is unbeatable.

Get to 100cc with passive nodes and enjoy melting everything.


Is the crit forking a 50/50 chance?

because you might crit your crit you might not, so there would actually be a consistency advantage as well so you’re not just 2.5x the damage you’re doing 2.5x the damage 100% of the time vs 1x the damage 50% of the time, which makes it 5x the damage vs the 50% of the time crit forking


So it’s on average 4x the damage 100% of the time

if you crit at 1600 vs 4000 half the time and the other half do 400 dmg that’s 1000 averaged vs 4000 consistent 100% of the time so it’s 4x the damage, if crit forking happens a consistent 50% of the time, not greater or lower. There’s also a massive disparity in damage between doing 400 dmg and 1600.

But like you said most content can be eased with the Tangletongue so why spend the extra 100-200 divs

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Is the crit forking a 50/50 chance?

because you might crit your crit you might not, so there would actually be a consistency advantage as well so you’re not just 2.5x the damage you’re doing 2.5x the damage 100% of the time vs 1x the damage 50% of the time, which makes it 5x the damage vs the 50% of the time crit forking


So it’s on average 4x the damage 100% of the time

if you crit at 1600 vs 4000 half the time that’s 1000 averaged vs 4000 consistent 100% of the time so it’s 4x the damage, if crit forking happens a consistent 50% of the time, not greater or lower.

But like you said most content can be eased with the Tangletongue so why spend the extra 100-200 divs


Crit is the best in game for dps and the base crit chance is the most important roll in the game and this got the highest base CC in the game.

Double crit is just icing on the cake.

All the passive nodes and increased crit chance roll on gears scale off the base crit on the weapon.

I'm at 90% cc right now. I can get it to 100% with a few more levels.

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Apr 13 2025 03:21pm
Crit is the best in game for dps and the base crit chance is the most important roll in the game and this got the highest base CC in the game.

Double crit is just icing on the cake.

All the passive nodes and increased crit chance roll on gears scale off the base crit on the weapon.

I'm at 90% cc right now. I can get it to 100% with a few more levels.


If your Crit chance is 90% does that mean it will Crit fork 90% of the time, or is the Crit forking a totally separate equal chance such as 50/50 chance? Does crit fork apply your own crit or is it its own probability. Tbh tooltip doesn’t really tell you. Idk if Crit forking applies your Crit chance directly to that chance of forking. And if you get it to 100% does it use that crit chance or a different probability.


Technically, at 90% it would be 80% chance to fork if it applies your crit because probability of 90% happening twice is 80%.

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If your Crit chance is 90% does that mean it will Crit fork 90% of the time, or is the Crit forking a totally separate equal chance such as 50/50 chance? Does crit fork apply your own crit or is it its own probability. Tbh tooltip doesn’t really tell you. Idk if Crit forking applies your Crit chance directly to that chance of forking. And if you get it to 100% does it use that crit chance or a different probability.


Technically, at 90% it would be 80% chance to fork if it applies your crit because probability of 90% happening twice is 80%.


If you hold the weapon and it will tell you.

And just read the description on the weapon. It's pretty damn clear.

It's extremely strong. Think I paid 7 div for my 23% cc one.

Forking Critical Hits
Hits with this weapon roll against their Critical Hit chance twice when determining if they are a Critical Hit.

If either roll succeeds, the hit will be a Critical Hit, and thus the Critical Damage Bonus will apply as normal.

If both rolls succeed, the hit will be a Critical Hit, and the Critical Damage Bonus will apply twice to that Hit.

If a modifier makes your Critical Hit Chance Lucky, that Luck will apply individually to both of these
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If you hold the weapon and it will tell you.

And just read the description on the weapon. It's pretty damn clear.

It's extremely strong. Think I paid 7 div for my 23% cc one.

Forking Critical Hits
Hits with this weapon roll against their Critical Hit chance twice when determining if they are a Critical Hit.

If either roll succeeds, the hit will be a Critical Hit, and thus the Critical Damage Bonus will apply as normal.

If both rolls succeed, the hit will be a Critical Hit, and the Critical Damage Bonus will apply twice to that Hit.

If a modifier makes your Critical Hit Chance Lucky, that Luck will apply individually to both of these


it actually applies your local crit not your global
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it actually applies your local crit not your global


It's very clearly explained. Thats all I gotta say. If you like rare sure pay shit ton for it 👍
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It's very clearly explained. Thats all I gotta say. If you like rare sure pay shit ton for it 👍


They are ridiculously expensive, and probably not worth it, that’s a good point :thumbsup:
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on amazon, rare is BIS, on deadeye, tongue bis
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Literally no reason to try to get overpriced rare spears.

Super high base crit chance on TT and double crit proc is unbeatable.

Get to 100cc with passive nodes and enjoy melting everything.


I dont get where the damage comes from though
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I dont get where the damage comes from though


If both rolls succeed, the hit will be a Critical Hit, and the Critical Damage Bonus will apply twice to that Hit.

thats where it comes from
u basically can crit "twice" on a hit now, and they are adding up. so if you got enough crit multi, it will boost your dmg really high. Probably higher than u could reach with any rare spear.

but i did not pob that, u gotta compare a perfect TT to a "mirror" rare spear and then the question is if pob would calculate double crit with critmulti.

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