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Apr 9 2025 02:16pm
I am certain that two thirds of the people supporting Trump are so stupid it would literally be easier to explain economics to a dog and two thirds of his supporters are just terrible human beings in general lacking basic empathy.

If you read this wondering why those numbers add to more than one, I am pretty sure my neighbours dogs are smarter than you.


as compared to 2/3 of the DNC voters who believed record high stock market numbers dont matter when trump was in office first term, but stock market dips mean the sky is falling in his 2nd term?

2/3 of the country is economically illiterate, period. look at credit card debt, most people not having 1k$ in savings, and god awful budgets people create.
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Apr 9 2025 03:40pm
Finance Bros: WHY ARE LESS PEOPLE OPENING 401K PORTFOLIOS?!?
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Apr 9 2025 04:10pm
For a week, the democrats were absolute doomers, banging their drum.

The market is back up.

No apology or hindsight.

:rolleyes:


The market has gone up for one day. Did you start investing last week? We won't know how the tariffs affected the economy for months at minimum
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Apr 9 2025 04:50pm
I don't know if this was the intention all along but I'm leaning towards Trump blinked. His advisors talk to business leaders, and I'm sure there was a lot of panic .You can't fight this war on all fronts simultaneously.


He definitely blinked. The US were getting destroyed on the bond markets. He had no other chance than to give up his "tariff the whole fucking world"-play and focus on the main foe: China. The country with which trade is most unbalanced, the country which has stolen the most American jobs and IP, the country which has manipulated trade the most, the country which is the main geopolitical rival of the US.

Truth be told, he should have rolled out a more thought-out and focused tariff strategy from the get-go. The escalating trade war with China will cause enough economic turmoil all by itself. This, however, is a fight which is imho worth fighting.


I expect some negotiated trade agreements with Canada, Mexico, Japan, South Korea and Europe which aren't much different than the status quo ante and mostly serve to save face. But again: things will get spicy enough on the China front.

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Apr 9 2025 05:06pm
He definitely blinked. The US were getting destroyed on the bond markets. He had no other chance than to give up his "tariff the whole fucking world"-play and focus on the main foe: China. The country with which trade is most unbalanced, the country which has stolen the most American jobs and IP, the country which has manipulated trade the most, the country which is the main geopolitical rival of the US.

Truth be told, he should have rolled out a more thought-out and focused tariff strategy from the get-go. The escalating trade war with China will cause enough economic turmoil all by itself. This, however, is a fight which is imho worth fighting.


I expect some negotiated trade agreements with Canada, Mexico, Japan, South Korea and Europe which aren't much different than the status quo ante and mostly serve to save face. But again: things will get spicy enough on the China front.


Yeah i agree. Him and his team probably expected as stocks get whacked as there is growing uncertainty about trade and earnings, you would see outflow from stock into UST's. That's typically what happens in risk-off scenarios the 'flight to safety'. Bonds caught a bid somewhat and 10yr dropped to ~3.9% only to do a 180 and go back up to 4.4%, a huge sell off. I still don't know if that was caused by China/others selling US bonds or just general market uncertainty and everyone going into cash as a safeguard. Between business leaders probably freaking out, all the banks/analysts guiding down S&P targets, bonds selling off, he probably got talked into relaxing the tariffs.

At the end of the day, we still have 10% tariffs across the board and 125% with China. If those stick, that alone is still bringing in hundreds of billions in tariff revenue. We bring in ~3.1trillion annually, 10% of that is 300 billion, 125% on Chinese imports of ~460BN would also add a significant amount. I actually think when this is all said and done, we will still have some tariffs that remain, and we will actually bring in some revenue from that but not the 22% blended tariff rate that was initially propose, most likely be around 10% range.


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Apr 9 2025 05:16pm
I am certain that two thirds of the people supporting Trump are so stupid it would literally be easier to explain economics to a dog and two thirds of his supporters are just terrible human beings in general lacking basic empathy.

If you read this wondering why those numbers add to more than one, I am pretty sure my neighbours dogs are smarter than you.


It doesn’t help that Trump is economically illiterate and blatantly lies to his supporters, whether intentional, or just from being out of his mind.

Fortunately, his first term there were adults in the room, all this yes men shit has backfired BIGLY.
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Apr 9 2025 05:23pm
Those with stocks shoulda bought the dip.
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Apr 9 2025 05:26pm
Quick summary of events:

Yesterday, a fake tweet saying that trump was gona pause the tariffs for 90 days causes a 2.3 trillion dollar pump.
20 minutes later the WH confirmed that it was fake news and the markst dumps by the same amount.

Early this morning, Trump tweets that NOW is a great time to buy
3 hours later he issues a 90 day pause on the tariffs

All the goys who listened to him went to the moon
Liberals got caught holding bags
Euros seething
China isolated

Art of the deal
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Apr 9 2025 05:35pm
all Trump needs to do is figure a legal means to redirect tariff funds from the general affairs budget to border wall construction so he can complete his arc
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Apr 9 2025 05:40pm
I wonder how much his family made from this market manipulation.
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