This is true. It's why its important to start embracing UBI And socialism now if we intend on making ourselves obsolete.

Places like Walmart having to pull their quarterly forecasts is excellent foreshadowing for whos going to get fucked in America.

This post was edited by SBD on Apr 9 2025 09:40am

No UBI, but yes to a rational implementation of something that could be called socialism.

We already went through an automation revolution 200 years ago - industrial revolution. Was UBI a good idea then? No. Is UBI a good idea now? Also no. There will also always be Luddites who fight against automation, like there was then. These people today are computer coders, digital artists and the like. Perhaps they can learn to mine?

No UBI. People will just need to learn new skills to keep up with reality.

Looking 100+ years ahead though, maybe more, there will be a point where we automate ourselves out OR population has to seriously, and not just a little, decline. Maybe its hard to imagine now, but I don't think so, not if you consider the leaps and bounds made just in the past 100 years. Currently we don't have things that legitimately "think" and that's been able to hold back full on automation of many things. But that could end. The advancement of robotics, with an actual "brain".

Not sure ill make it to that point, perhaps some very early stages, but I think it's inevitable. There will be few tasks that wont be done more efficiently by a robot at a cost that is less than a human being. Build a house, provide produce, make your cloths, all basic needs met via robotics.

Again, pretty sure ill be dead, but I suspect it will come. This is just mostly fun speculation.

This post was edited by SBD on Apr 9 2025 09:53am

That's possible 100+ years from now, but that's not our concern, that's the concern of people in the future. Our concern is the present and immediate future and smoothing out the process

Robotics I think is the biggest technology barrier - robotics isn't nearly advanced, economical, and robust enough to replace fine level human labour, but it could in the far future. AI is taking off right now to tackle "digital labour" (dunno how you'd describe this) but fine physical labour is the toughest challenge. Machinery & the industrial revolution tackled grunt labour very well

This post was edited by El1te on Apr 9 2025 10:25am

this is like when people say "ill save for retirement later". we dont need UBI now, but we do need to start saving now for UBI later. as to robotics there's nothing a robot cant do outside of some very specific trade labor and specific welding. robotics isnt currently held back by tech, its cost prohibitive.

Much like the first versions of many of our electronic devices. The first computers, the first VCR's, TV's, etc. Just listing random things I can remember as a kid.

No, it's engaging in far-future hypotheticals that may or may not turn out to be true. Daydreaming about heaven instead of being grounded in reality.

We will never need UBI. UBI is fundamentally irrational - by giving every person a basic income, you give no one a basic income. This was recently tried with covid cheques to disastrous effect

This post was edited by El1te on Apr 9 2025 10:39am

And a robot can't do any trade labour. Robots are largely limited to stationary assembly lines, fixed structures, warehouses, very little degrees of freedom.

When you start talking about real fine labour, you have nigh-infinity degrees of freedom

/e the value of human labour is rooted in our extreme degrees of freedom and dexterity, thanks to God's meticulously crafted biological body of which we possess molecular-scale levers, joints, axes of movement.

This post was edited by El1te on Apr 9 2025 10:44am

may or may not turn out to be true is naïve to the extreme. literally the only thing that can stop it is an anti-robotics revolution like the terminator movies.

and much like my retirement investment example we can set up a potential UBI fund now for pennies, later it will cost dimes, when its needed it will cost dollars. if it never came to be needed, which again is almost literally impossible, it could be used for another purpose.

overall tho your ideas of robotics are just dated and incorrect. about the only thing a robot can't do today is trade labor like plumbing, electric, ac/heat, custom sanitary welding. etc. If you think i cant make a robot that does anything else, you're wrong. it may be too expensive to justify building it, but there's nothing your body can do more or less that i can't make a robot to do. its literally all about cost prohibition, the tech is already here and gets better every day. just wait until some of the manufacturing starts to trickle back and we see factories pop up with only a few employees per shift working on fully automated lines. hell i just made a fully automated chicken processing line for a company this year in the USA that does 100 products per minute for 20 hours a day that has zero people working on it, average downtime is 10 minutes per day. robotic road construction and food service is already here, the only reason they dont implement it is because it will put so many people out of work its a PR disaster.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 9 2025 11:07am

I have zero doubts that down the road these things will 100% be done by a robot too unless, we has humans decide we have gone too far. Obviously not the immediate future.