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Apr 7 2025 11:14am
You might not, but it's still within the top 25 in overall ratings, much higher obviously if you just do news ratings then its within top 10.

Suspect it will hit maybe 6th or so spot for this presidency potentially.


Top 25 of what Doctors office magazine subscriptions that nobody reads?
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Apr 7 2025 11:15am
I think this is a downplay, I come from rural farmland before the north and dollarama and walmart were the place to be. Its your one-stop shop when times are tough and its all imports. If used cars go up in price because new cars become more unaffordable for the middle-class taking used away from the lower class that hurts even more.

Again, from a pure dollar value, yes obviously those that have wealth have the most to lose, from an impactful amount, the poor will be hit the hardest because what we deem as insignificant is significant to them.

I don't think you're going to see those cheap department stores stocked up with American made items all of a sudden. You will never get that cheap because of labour laws, safety, etc. Even with a sizable terrif, its still going to be cheaper to be made overseas in countries with essentially slave labour.

It might feel good as a impoverished person to see big numbers like 6.9 trillion lost on Wall Street, but I doubt anyone of wealth lost sleep. Prices go up slightly at walmart and rent suddenly looks harder to hit, you will lose sleep. Shit typically rolls down-hill and its almost always the poor that will suffer. I don't have any reason to suspect otherwise here.


Its still a real question of the elasticity of price and affected products. I'd argue most staples and services and utilities are basically unaffected. What % of walmart sales by volume (not profit) are actually domestic products? 60% of their sales are grocery and about 70% of their groceries are domestic. It hits pretty much all their general merchandise sector and probably health and wellness, shoes, clothes, plastics, electronics, etc. But cars are not a 1:1 elasticity of price when competing cars are manufacturing domestically and most groceries are not affected at all.

Of course the CPI is only calculated for urban consumers and the coastal economists never calculated a basket of goods for rural america or the rust belt, so I can't directly look at the CPI to quote you what % would be elastic, affected directly or unaffected.
It is indeed more car prices, more gas, more home cooked meals, more energy. But say we look at the CPI-U
>35.4% shelter
>13.7% food
>13.2% vehicles (6.4% maintenance/insurance/repair/fares, 4.4 new vehicles, 2.4 used)
>8.2% medical care (6.7% care, 1.5% commodities)
>6.3% energy
>2.5% apparel
>1.2% alcohol/tobacco

Say that's your basket of goods for urban america. Vehicles should be affected to a partially elastic degree. Apparel moreso, but still not a 1:1 increase. Pretty much the rest of it ignores tariffs.
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Apr 7 2025 11:17am
The other point to make, China has become very good at evading tariffs. You increase tariffs on China? Oh ok, they can just move their factory to some low tariffed nation i.e. Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and simply game the system by doing so, and they've done precisely this. They've also done something very similar with sanctions and restrictions on semi imports. Instead of ordering directly from Nvidia, use proxy buys in Singapore or some other 3rd nation then move the physical goods to China.

You can't simply target China here and expect all of these exit valves are somhow going to magically disappear.


sure. but the USA learned it's lesson on outsourcing. you outsource labor and you dont feed your people. and they've got a LOT more people who went from poverty to middle class much faster than in the USA.

china's party may be fine reaping profits by cutting side deals in vietnam, 1 billion hungry chinese people wont be.
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Apr 7 2025 11:18am
The other point to make, China has become very good at evading tariffs. You increase tariffs on China? Oh ok, they can just move their factory to some low tariffed nation i.e. Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and simply game the system by doing so, and they've done precisely this. They've also done something very similar with sanctions and restrictions on semi imports. Instead of ordering directly from Nvidia, use proxy buys in Singapore or some other 3rd nation then move the physical goods to China.

You can't simply target China here and expect all of these exit valves are somhow going to magically disappear.


but to be clear, that's exactly why this tariff went out on everyone and that's the exact reason the stock market is drinking koolaid and waiting for aliens to beam them up to kolob
It wasn't the tariff on China that shocked them, it was the tariff on Vietnam, where all kinds of factories were just built to double outsource the labor china stole from america to steal and send to cheaper vietnam. Its the fact they can't repackage their cold rolled steel or other dumped products through EU channels, Singapore can't just reroute all those chips like Russia does with its oil boats changing hands.
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Apr 7 2025 11:18am
Top 25 of what Doctors office magazine subscriptions that nobody reads?


US cable ratings. Also right next to cnn last quarter and quickly rising.
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Apr 7 2025 11:30am
US cable ratings. Also right next to cnn last quarter and quickly rising.


That's not saying a lot.
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Apr 7 2025 11:42am
That's not saying a lot.


It says there's another right wing network that clearly competes with the left and fox isn't the only option. Especially with its recent trump endorsement I suspect you will see it overtake some of the left wing names.
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Apr 8 2025 12:45am
An argument raised by Asmongold is actually cogent. That enough men in the rust belt and rural america are already in a 2nd great depression and feeling it every day. Tariffs aren't threatening people who already have nothing to lose. It won't hit most food or energy or rent, its the rain falling on the investor class, 6 figure pension retirees, metropolitan elites. Most of America doesnt feel a thing when stocks go up or down.


The problem with that is that a crisis in the economy hits everybody. Yes, poor people do not have money in stocks, they do have a job that depends on a company existing though. They also have to buy products produced by companies that are directly affected by the crisis aswell.

The kernel of truth there is that a lot of (mostly young male) people in your country feel so helpless that they turn to obvious losers like e.g. Tate, Asmongold, Trump and Musk. This is what brought us here - the real solution to that problem is increasing qualitify of life for everybody, not dragging everybody down to be miserable though.
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Apr 8 2025 02:28pm
When you think about it: the USA couldnt keep the negative trade balance forever.
Of course its nice if everybody in the world used to buy USD, but its not granted forever.
And how do you put like 20% tarrifs? You put 60%-100%, and the world is burning. Then you tell: "ok, we can settle for 20% actually"
Everybody is relieved and accepts 20% :)
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Apr 8 2025 02:51pm
The problem with that is that a crisis in the economy hits everybody. Yes, poor people do not have money in stocks, they do have a job that depends on a company existing though. They also have to buy products produced by companies that are directly affected by the crisis aswell.

The kernel of truth there is that a lot of (mostly young male) people in your country feel so helpless that they turn to obvious losers like e.g. Tate, Asmongold, Trump and Musk. This is what brought us here - the real solution to that problem is increasing qualitify of life for everybody, not dragging everybody down to be miserable though.


The tariffs are merely a tax. Would the economy crash if Congress allows the 2017 tax cuts to expire? By all accounts that would drain more money from the economy than the tariffs will.

The government needs revenue. The same people crying about tariffs are blasting the administration for wanting an extension on the tax cuts. The economy is highly dependent right now on high-income spenders, higher taxes on high earners means less consumption, impacting businesses and jobs across the country.

Is the deadweight loss of tariffs higher than the deadweight loss of taxation? I don't know, and I haven't seen anyone bother to run the math.
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