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Apr 4 2025 02:13pm
Military doesn't solve your trade/economic issues. You're talking about protecting existing trade, which means other countries maybe need to invest more in military without the US, which is irrelevant to what I'm saying

It doesn't change the fact that the US will lose if they isolate forever. The entire strategy hinges on the idea that the US will isolate until other countries give up concessions, then the US will stop isolating


? US dominance is a consequence of their military prowess and success in WW2
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Apr 4 2025 02:15pm
if the USA said that we're no longer going to patrol the ocean and secure shipping lanes world trade would literally, yes i said literally, shut down tomorrow. it would take years to start up again. most people are entirely ignorant of how much global trade depends on the US navy, its simply cannot function without it.


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Yes, the United States Navy plays a significant role in securing global shipping lanes. This involves a variety of activities aimed at ensuring the safety and freedom of navigation in international waters, which are crucial for global trade. Key aspects of the U.S. Navy's role in this area include:

Presence and Patrols: The U.S. Navy maintains a significant presence in key maritime regions, conducting regular patrols to deter potential threats to shipping and maritime trade.

Freedom of Navigation Operations (FONOPs): The U.S. conducts FONOPs to challenge excessive maritime claims by other nations and to assert the right of free navigation in international waters.

Partnerships and Alliances: The U.S. Navy works with allied and partner navies to enhance maritime security. Joint exercises and operations help improve interoperability and collective security.

Counter-Piracy Operations: The Navy has been involved in anti-piracy operations, particularly in regions such as the Gulf of Aden and the waters off the Horn of Africa, to protect commercial shipping from piracy threats.

Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief: In addition to security operations, the Navy also provides humanitarian assistance in times of crisis, which can help stabilize regions and indirectly secure shipping lanes.

Intelligence and Surveillance: The Navy employs advanced technology and intelligence-gathering capabilities to monitor maritime threats and ensure safe passage for commercial vessels.

Overall, the U.S. Navy's efforts contribute to the stability of international shipping routes, which are vital for global economic stability and trade.

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Yes, the United States Navy plays a significant role in securing global shipping lanes. This involves a variety of activities aimed at ensuring the safety and freedom of navigation in international waters, which are crucial for global trade. Key aspects of the U.S. Navy's role in this area include:

Presence and Patrols: The U.S. Navy maintains a significant presence in key maritime regions, conducting regular patrols to deter potential threats to shipping and maritime trade.

Freedom of Navigation Operations (FONOPs): The U.S. conducts FONOPs to challenge excessive maritime claims by other nations and to assert the right of free navigation in international waters.

Partnerships and Alliances: The U.S. Navy works with allied and partner navies to enhance maritime security. Joint exercises and operations help improve interoperability and collective security.

Counter-Piracy Operations: The Navy has been involved in anti-piracy operations, particularly in regions such as the Gulf of Aden and the waters off the Horn of Africa, to protect commercial shipping from piracy threats.

Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief: In addition to security operations, the Navy also provides humanitarian assistance in times of crisis, which can help stabilize regions and indirectly secure shipping lanes.

Intelligence and Surveillance: The Navy employs advanced technology and intelligence-gathering capabilities to monitor maritime threats and ensure safe passage for commercial vessels.

Overall, the U.S. Navy's efforts contribute to the stability of international shipping routes, which are vital for global economic stability and trade.


this is a smallbrain take. (not directed at you, chat gpt only sees what is, not what can come to pass)

"according to a doctor the liver isn't the only thing keeping you alive". sure, cut your liver out. see how long you live.

the US navy isn't 100% of what protects global trade lanes, but it's most. and here's where big brain comes in, how many more pirates pop up if we announce we're not protecting it anymore? a lot, of course. anyone can see that.

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this is a smallbrain take.

"according to a doctor the liver isn't the only thing keeping you alive". sure, cut your liver out. see how long you live.

the US navy isn't 100% of what protects global trade lanes, but it's most. and here's where big brain comes in, how many more pirates pop up if we announce we're not protecting it anymore? a lot, of course. anyone can see that.


Other nations would simply start attacking shipping vessels with no flags or false flags

Not submitting to US authority would be very very bad for anyone who lacks the strength to defend themselves
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Apr 4 2025 02:24pm
Military doesn't solve your trade/economic issues. You're talking about protecting existing trade, which means other countries maybe need to invest more in military without the US, which is irrelevant to what I'm saying

It doesn't change the fact that the US will lose if they isolate forever. The entire strategy hinges on the idea that the US will isolate until other countries give up concessions, then the US will stop isolating



What are you saying then? Thought you were discounting the mutual benefit of secure shipping lanes which currently is policed by US. This isn't to solve new problems, it's to prevent old problems.

It's not even that long ago the Egypt to Med route was jammed up and that resulted in all sorts of chaos at the ports

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Apr 4 2025 02:36pm
What are you saying then? Thought you were discounting the mutual benefit of secure shipping lanes which currently is policed by US. This isn't to solve new problems, it's to prevent old problems.

It's not even that long ago the Egypt to Med route was jammed up and that resulted in all sorts of chaos at the ports


I'm saying exactly what I typed. Here's another wording.

The US will lose if they isolate forever, because they can't stop the rest of the world from working together in the long term, unless you achieve world domination. The entire strategy hinges on the idea that the US will isolate until other countries give up concessions, then the US will stop isolating

You are talking about short term details. I do not agree that world trade will shutdown 100% if the US disappears. The only way this could maybe happen is if the US military starts blocking world trade, if we can't have it then no one can. That's a pretty insane scenario though
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Apr 4 2025 02:49pm
I'm saying exactly what I typed. Here's another wording.

The US will lose if they isolate forever, because they can't stop the rest of the world from working together in the long term, unless you achieve world domination. The entire strategy hinges on the idea that the US will isolate until other countries give up concessions, then the US will stop isolating

You are talking about short term details. I do not agree that world trade will shutdown 100% if the US disappears. The only way this could maybe happen is if the US military starts blocking world trade, if we can't have it then no one can. That's a pretty insane scenario though



All they have to do is keep our ships at port. Trade blocked. Pirates delight.

Your not wrong that another could run police. I don't think it's a short term transition like you assert.

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All they have to do is keep our ships at port. Trade blocked. Pirates delight.

Your not wrong that another could run police. I don't think it's a short term transition like you assert.


You didn't make an argument. You restated exactly what I said except in a more pessimistic tone

Global trade won't go to 0% if the US disappears. The pirates you're talking about cannot defeat the navy of any large country. The only way world trade would go to 0% is if a major military power like the US held the entire world hostage
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Apr 4 2025 03:12pm
You didn't make an argument. You restated exactly what I said except in a more pessimistic tone

Global trade won't go to 0% if the US disappears. The pirates you're talking about cannot defeat the navy of any large country. The only way world trade would go to 0% is if a major military power like the US held the entire world hostage


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No


That means you think that if the US disappears, world trade goes to 0%. There won't be any goods crossing any borders across the world. I can prove you wrong instantly by selling a T-shirt to my cousin in China.
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