Time to calm down sweetheart



You claim 50% of American oil is from Canadian imports, when it's actually more like 25%. Canada is indeed the largest exporter of US purchased oil. Now that was easy to look up, and I'm fairly sure no one here is a petroleum engineer (unless someone actually is) but I'm just going to assume a lot of that oil goes to the USA by land, either via pipes or ground transport. Seems like an awfully good deal for both countries, but namely for Canada, as you don't even need to fuss with maritime trade for the majority of your exports.

I don't think the oil trade is a bad deal at all, and I bet Trump doesn't either. A bit of a red herring. The issue is other industries. Why have their been tariffs imposed on American exports? Or am I and the entire Trump administration wrong, and Canada has a 0% tariff on American exports, as some here seem to believe.

2/3 of Canada's GDP is trade, while for America it's about 1/4, so while it would really hurt both countries to, for example, completely stop the trade of crude (this obviously will never happen) Canada would be hurt worse. I'm pretty sure your leaders are already mulling over how to smooth it over, but I understand Carney has to save face by acting like, let's say, an internet tough guy from d2jsp's PARD channel and stand up to the big scary orange man. Long term, I'm not worried about this and you shouldn't be either.

So how is this Canada ripping off the USA? You have a larger population by tenfold meaning you need more goods so you buy energy to supply a 10x population. How is this USA handing Canada a subsidy, needing to buy oil. Unfair, ripping the USA off, yada, yada, etc.

Also its 50% the 25%.is refinery crude oil intake.

This post was edited by SBD on Apr 3 2025 10:34pm

This forum has weird segways in conversations…. The trade war started over border security and the US having to be the guard dog of NATO regardless of fair/unfair trade these Tarrifs would have happened no matter what until inconsistencies are fixed. NATO countries responded appropriately by agreeing to increase military spending.

Canada/Mexico mobilizing border security at a faster pace would have fixed them as well.

China will never stop realistically so there is that.

Kiss your loved ones. Tell them you love them. Trump is THE ONE. War is next and I guarantee a war of US vs World will result in 90% of us being dead. He is THAT egotistical.

Not much has been discussed here on how the US and Canada can come to a new mutually beneficial arrangement. Mostly hearing how what US is doing to help alleviate terrible domestic conditions as bad for foreign nations. God forbid our country take actions to help our countrymen.

I'm not saying the exact course of action is best, I'm skeptical myself mainly on timeline and regime change undermining it. However, condemning US for taking action to improve serious domestic issues impacting the population and next generation is on par with promoting self harm. It's absurd.

I think there are some big wins between our nations and minerals, extraction, refinement could work together on. Lots of resources near the shared border and Canada has leading expertise in mineral resources.

The alliance is effectively dead. Europe has called this out, as has Canada.

There was an agreement that was in place that was far more beneficial for the US that trump himself pushed for and subsequently tore up to wage the trade war he is waging right now.

The US has basically alienated all of its former allies while trying to move closer to authoritarian shitholes like Russia.

The drive to move away from American products (let's be honest they aren't that good anyway) will outlive the current trade war. And it will only be wise for all countries globally to gradually disentangle themselves from the US as america has proven that it's basically a welcher on the world stage and any agreements made with the us aren't worth the papers they are written on.

This post was edited by duffman316 on Apr 4 2025 07:12am

Unfortunately yes.


Bullies only bend to bigger badder bullies.

It’s embarrassing being from Texas watching MAGA still blindly defending his actions.

Are you saying the prior status quo arrangements between nations yielded more benefit for the average american worker in a long term picture? If no, what would be a superior strategy to improve US domestic issues that would not* alienate allied nations so much.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Apr 4 2025 07:20am

You're right the status quo was so good. I live in the rust belt and the whole region has been hollowed out for the last 40 years. Between the massive debt, massive inflation, growing disparity between the 1% and everyone else, no status quo was not working.

None of us know for sure if what comes next will be better or worse, but for many, they have nothing to lose.

Live there too, our housing predicament is literally worse than the first year of the great depression if you run the numbers from the available revenue service publications from the era.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Apr 4 2025 07:24am

Im not an expert on economics but i expect american consumers are not going to benefit from the Trump tax they will be paying for the next little while on goods purchased in the states. If there is a dramatic move to bring jobs back to the us either the costs of products are going to go up significantly or the people they're going to bring in to do those jobs won't be the white american workers that you value but rather the people that will do the jobs for a lot less with dubious residential status.

Superior strategy to improve domestic issues? Fighting for better protection for workers rights, strengthening unions, taxing every billion dollar conglomerate that has its employees depending on social assistance of various sorts to make ends meet. Enforce regulations to improve workplace safety standards, set higher minimum wages. Discentivize further outsourcing of jobs by making it more difficult to get say h1b visas etc.

All things that the current administration, Republicans and rich conservatives are against.

Bernie sanders was imo probably your chance to move in this direction to improve living standards for workers.