New to Sorc and I like Lightning Sorc better than Nova for personal reasons..

With that being said, my question is, can I use self wielding Infinity on Lightning Sorc if I can still hit 125% fcr with my other gear?

All of the guides I see say to use hoto/spirit on Lightning Sorc & Infinity on Nova Sorc for some reason and I was just wondering why that is? I was assuming it was for fcr breakpoints but I can still hit them while using Infinity...

There is no breakpoint at 125fcr.

Sorc is 105, then 200.

But lightning and chain lightning are using a different breakpoint table at 117.

Self-wield infinity is for nova.
The range of conviction is short, lightning is used to attack from far.
There is no good self-wield infinity build for light sorc.

Hoto? All the guides you’ve seen are bad lol.
The only weapon you need is cmoon.

This post was edited by SinsOfTheSun on Apr 1 2025 05:35pm

I wasnt trying to say 125 was the breakpoint I was just saying I can hit 125 with my gear.

and if the range of convection is so short do I even want it on my merc? The reason I was even considering self wielding infinity in the first place is because I wanted to use Insight on my merc to help with mana.

What Merc setup do you suggest for Lightning SOrc?

If you play alone or on low player count insight is really enough.

Lightning build is used for elite/boss sniping, which means a lot of tele, so its nice to have sustain.
Just like the nova merc : prayer + insight + cure + coh

But if you play on high player count you’d better go infinity merc.
Still doable without, but you’ll notice the difference.

the difference between having and not having infy merc is similar to if you would remove your griffon. insight merc is an awful suggestion

if you have mana issues try to itemize so you can use double soj, get some mana scs and high bo. silkweave is an option if you don't mind losing res from boot slot

e: infy + flickering flame + ideally coh makes for a good lightning merc.

This post was edited by Dolphy on Apr 2 2025 12:56am

wait i thought the whole point of self infy sorc was the flat -55 res which isn't mitigated by sunders and doesn't work on merc? is this wrong? conviction only adds -17 right? edit: realised this is only in the case for immunes

to answer opp i think the reason guides suggest hoto + spirit is because lightning has many more synergies to spend on, which means you can't fully max es/tk that abuses the mechanic of not needing res. Since you need res the hoto/spirit combo is hard to beat. These guides are outdated, as stated above cmoon is for sure a better option than hoto

Also i bet you should be able to self wield infy: you need to use a 2/15 amu (ideally with 20res) and one fcr ring instead of soj (ideally with 11res and 41lr) and complete the build with res charms instead of mana charms in inventory.

The question is does the -20 lres of infy over cmoon beat +4sk (spirit + soj + 3/10) ? hard to say without crunching numbers but looks pretty close, although much more expensive. You also get the qol of cure merc

This post was edited by Oboko on Apr 3 2025 07:32am

Yeah the main point of self-wield is the flat -res ofc.
But also, nova is more a tanky telestomp build due to ES and how nova is a shorter range circular effect that benefits more if you position in the middle of everything.
Lightning build, without es, is way less tanky and will normally be played more from a distance. At least if merc has infinity he’s running straight at enemies right after tele so the conviction aura is still a bit closer than if you were self-wield.

But yeah, on lightning build the -res is still primordial.
Cmoon > hoto
And without es/insight merc you need some res and defensive stats and mana. Spirit helps with all that. Also helps reaching the 117fcr bp.
Using self-wield infinity would require dropping the 2 sojs to reach that bp.

As usual very bad suggestions! Don't trust this user!!!