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Mar 28 2025 10:57am
No rush, it took me quite a while to say what I said. If you really have access to data like that then it'd be hard to argue with you. I'll admit my game mechanic knowledge is far from perfect which is why I asked about drops from normal monsters. Even with the formula idk how a 0 for qualityfactor impacts drops.

What do you mean by evolutive pickit list? In 08 the list was just a notepad doc you could edit to modify the parameters of what you wanted. Evolutive like it gets more selective as a season progresses or something? That sounds overly complicated

Also how could you possibly have a meaningful estimate for every item? Even if you had a pretty good estimate for easy items like runes the most valuable items would be almost impossible to even semi-accurately estimate (imo).


2 out of the 3 were open source known projects (I wasn’t the only collaborator).
The pickit list was indeed a notepad, with some default editable content that was anything but good.
A side project came along :
You could link your pickit to an API to have that taken care of, in exchange of accepting to send data back to this API (would ofc only work with internet connection, so no offline SP).
So this evolutive pickit list was only on server side.

This side project went way further on the 3rd, non-open source paid project.
The goal was ultimately to :
Gather stats of all kind
In exchange of facilitating the user’s experience by means of automated tradings via payment and game name received. Which in return allowed to populate a database on market values and selling capacity (where stats about average pricing and ability to sell vs stashed/charsi’d items were compiled).

That was the golden age of deep learning, fun projects that taught me a lot and eventually led to my career.
For anyone who wonders… no I’m not a known public figure or anything. My name wouldn’t ring a bell.
But there’s a lot of info about me online ever since I sold one of my SaaS for… let’s just say a good amount of money.
Retired at 33. Still quite busy and now a dad.
I still love discussing about d2, even if I barely ever find time to play.
That’s about as much info I can give, cuz there’s no way i’m gonna allow some online trolls to disturb me or my family irl.


This has nothing to do with the current discussion, but if it can at least shut down the trolling and hate comments…
I never claimed to be a "big shot" like you say.
But since you, and others in the past, were insistent of my gold logs...
Here's my highest month from 2014 :

And I'm not the type of person to brag, but that's very far from my irl saving accounts in USD
Just stop poking me now.

This post was edited by SinsOfTheSun on Mar 28 2025 11:19am
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I think there is also a kind of “luck %”, or call it as you want, on the character. I mean i’ve found the best items or maybe most valuable items with a specific character I used. All my characters got mf btw 200-300 some of them +300 with a high speed kill but i got one special character that has found most valuable items.. am i crazy or someone think about this?
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I think there is also a kind of “luck %”, or call it as you want, on the character. I mean i’ve found the best items or maybe most valuable items with a specific character I used. All my characters got mf btw 200-300 some of them +300 with a high speed kill but i got one special character that has found most valuable items.. am i crazy or someone think about this?


Rng can make you believe many things I’m afraid haha
Yes, luck factor, but not associated with a char… you just happened to got your lucky moments while playing this particular “lucky char” ;)
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Mar 28 2025 01:03pm
I wrote this in a random thread that deviated subject, but I thought some people could enjoy the lecture and/or get their +1 ^^
Nothing against the user I'm quoting, I respect his opinion, this is just for context.
So here's the copy/pasta :



There are many studies, like the one you posted, that report the relation between MF% and quality level of items dropped.
The problem about those studies is that they do not include the single most important factor : what is valuable
They show results as if uniques > sets > rares > magics > whites
And they show these results without looking at the fact that for most item base, their related unique/set will never have any value, while if they were either rare/magic/white they could have had value.

Now, just look at this graph shown in the link you posted...

https://i.imgur.com/hdzAkV8.png

This is true for andy and duriel that are now permanently quest bugged in D2R.
What's more valuable?
A potential gg rare ring/amy?
Or increased chances with each % mf to transform this rare into something suddenly almost garanteed to be a useless magic or cathan or manald or whatever charsi food (because yes, that's what you're most likely gonna get)

Now, if you look at other bosses and super uniques, the graph is gonna feel like more mf is more profitable when farming those... only if you don't understand the facts behind it.
Here are the odds of what you'll get in hell / TZs :

Normal Items: 67.84870452%
Exceptional/Elite Items: 20.29650961% (of which ~2/3 are exceptional)
Class Specific Items: 11.85478587%

Understand this.
There are no normal/exceptional items rolled as set/unique that are valuable, except for a very few exceptions that we can name since the list is extremely short :
magefist, chancies, goldwrap, vipermagi, waterwalk, wartrav, gores, Soe, Tgods, suicide branch.
That's it... and let's be honest, those items are only worth picking up early ladder and are soon 5fgs items that most people just skip as the market gets saturated.

11.85% are class specific items?
You're almost guaranteed that a white base would have been better.
There are many unique/sets versions of class specific items, but among them the only good ones are :
titan, tstroke, arreat, DF, ravenlore, Hoz
Again... that's it.
Among the very long list of class specific items, just for a minor chance to find one of the above with increased mf%, you fucked up so many potential great drops.
GG mosaic GT base? Nope, its bartuc's !
GG eth rare claw? Nope, it's Nat's set !
45@ auric shield? Nope, its a trash blue/yellow or a alma negra/dragonscale, sorry
GG pelt? Nope, its aldur !
some super easy to sell socketed sup armor/helm/shield/weapon? Nope it's still a rainbow of shit !

And everything get's even worse when you look at drops from regular mobs...
Bases are definitely worth way more than magics.
In fact, the only very few magic items that can be valuable have chances so low that's it's not recommended to lose time picking them up and id'ing them.
The blue items you see on the market are either a lucky shot while gambling, but most likely shopped by bots.
No matter how high you push your mf%, regular mobs will most likely just convert bases to magics.
And unless you're exclusively elite/boss sniping, regular mobs are still the main portion of your drops when density destroying (which is the most profitable way to mf).

What's left?...
hrs -> not affected by mf
igg -> not affected by mf
crafting supplies -> not affected by mf
keys/organs -> not affected by mf
charms -> as soon as everyone got their sunders, you really better get a chance at any of the many potential gg magic charms rather than to get another fucking -82% pOiSoN sUnDeR

MF is a scam.
At least, as soon as the ladder season is 1+ week old.
And it's always a scam in NL as the only things still worth something are gfg rare/craft for the pvp community.
I repeat...
MF is a scam.
It's not "rng"...
Just learn what to pick up instead of thinking that you should be trying to spot gold/green colors on your screen lol



Oh trust me, you'd lose your own bet.
It's a known fact that, yes, you can indeed have better odds at finding very specific items / affixes by target farming specific area levels.
But it's also a known fact that you greatly reduce your potential profit, due to the smaller and smaller quantity of potentially valuable items you restrict yourself to.
I know quite a bit on the subject, I'm a stubborn nerd who likes to find very specific items that way (see my guide in my sig!)
But I also know how bad it is, in terms of profit, to do so... and I still do it cuz I'm done playing the jsp game since long ago :p


Wow Welcome in 2025 we know this since early 2k
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Mar 28 2025 01:17pm
Wow Welcome in 2025 we know this since early 2k


And yet 99% of players try to pump their mf up.
So who’s “we”?
It’s not like I just “discovered” this haha, read further.
This is just my yearly reminder, as a service to the community, since the vast majority of d2 players and jsp users are still completely noob and haven’t evolved over 20 years of playing the same game.

No need to be mad at the messenger :p

This post was edited by SinsOfTheSun on Mar 28 2025 01:18pm
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Mar 28 2025 01:42pm
2 out of the 3 were open source known projects (I wasn’t the only collaborator).
The pickit list was indeed a notepad, with some default editable content that was anything but good.
A side project came along :
You could link your pickit to an API to have that taken care of, in exchange of accepting to send data back to this API (would ofc only work with internet connection, so no offline SP).
So this evolutive pickit list was only on server side.

This side project went way further on the 3rd, non-open source paid project.
The goal was ultimately to :
Gather stats of all kind
In exchange of facilitating the user’s experience by means of automated tradings via payment and game name received. Which in return allowed to populate a database on market values and selling capacity (where stats about average pricing and ability to sell vs stashed/charsi’d items were compiled).

That was the golden age of deep learning, fun projects that taught me a lot and eventually led to my career.
For anyone who wonders… no I’m not a known public figure or anything. My name wouldn’t ring a bell.
But there’s a lot of info about me online ever since I sold one of my SaaS for… let’s just say a good amount of money.
Retired at 33. Still quite busy and now a dad.
I still love discussing about d2, even if I barely ever find time to play.
That’s about as much info I can give, cuz there’s no way i’m gonna allow some online trolls to disturb me or my family irl.


This has nothing to do with the current discussion, but if it can at least shut down the trolling and hate comments…
^Dolphy I never claimed to be a "big shot" like you say.
But since you, and others in the past, were insistent of my gold logs...
Here's my highest month from 2014 :
https://i.imgur.com/1WGug1G.png
And I'm not the type of person to brag, but that's very far from my irl saving accounts in USD
Just stop poking me now.


tldr

that's not a gold log, that's an edited line of text. try again and blur as you see fit
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Mar 28 2025 01:52pm
Ha!
2 things Dolphy can do much better than you!

1) collect %
2) troll

You on the other hand bless us with knowledge without asking anything in return. Showing patience with the trolls and try to positively influence this very heterogeneous community.

What a loser.

Don't ya know how it's done?
Just look at your president.

Bully. Be ignorant af. Don't care about facts, make up your own.
Destructive behaviour all the way.

You shud take lessons

This post was edited by Sankturio on Mar 28 2025 01:57pm
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Mar 28 2025 02:02pm
Ha!
2 things Dolphy can do much better than you!

1) collect %
2) troll

You on the other hand bless us with knowledge without asking anything in return. Showing patience with the trolls and try to positively influence this very heterogeneous community.

What a loser.

Don't ya know how it's done?
Just look at your president.

Bully. Be ignorant af. Don't care about facts, make up your own.
Destructive behaviour all the way.

You shud take lessons


it's all love buddy. just calling out the bullshit where I see it
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Mar 28 2025 04:15pm
it's all love buddy. just calling out the bullshit where I see it


I say you just have a duel with Sins. If you lose, you takes Sins out for steak dinner. If you win, Sins have to marry Cain for life.

As far as on topic goes. MF is situational. I would definitely stack it on a Horky Barb but other builds need maximize speed. Although it is a way of target farming just as 0 MF is.

This post was edited by Tarisus on Mar 28 2025 04:21pm
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D2r is a scam
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