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The Ukrainian readout, posted by the Ministry of Defence on its Telegram account, confirms the main agreement, but contains some additional guidance not in the original text.
The statement, released in the name of defence minister Rustem Umerov, says that “the movement of Russian military vessels beyond the Eastern Black Sea will be considered a violation of the spirit of this agreement.”
It added it will also “be considered a violation of the obligations to ensure freedom of navigation in the Black Sea and a threat to the national security of Ukraine.”
“In such case, Ukraine will have the full right to exercise the right to self-defence,” it noted.

Quote (babun1024 @ Mar 12 2025 02:27pm)

He isn't Ukrainian. Most of the armchair generals who want the war to continue are some brainwashed basement dwelling beings from the western Europe (Ireland or France for example). You can guess whose multi he is.

Quote (babun1024 @ Mar 24 2025 08:09pm)

MSM brainwashed you well. Trump cannot deny access to starlink. The service was paid for by Poland to Elon Musk's private company.

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 25 2025 03:17am)

Former USSR murdered polish elites, or any people they considered as "bad slaves", and was occupying our country for 50 years against our will, which is one the reasons our country bankrupted in the 80s and our monthly salaries were 20usd only - we were poor. Also if USSR decided to attack NATO during the cold war, Poles would have to go attack Germany and France, against our will. This scenario didnt happen, but it was possible.
Also Russia often attacked and occupied us since 1700s.
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About the Hitler proposition: there were three błocks:
- democratic western Europe (France, UK)
- Germany
- USSR
By joining Germany Poland would have to leave France/UK alliance. We simply chosed UK/France over Hitler. Our politicians thought that Hitler will not have balls to fight both France and Poland at the same time.
We knew what Hitler done with Austria and Czechia, we knew that he didnt respect any deal.
Also Hitler asked not only for Danzig, but also for an exterritorial road and railway going through Poland, which would make any future attacks on Poland easier.
And lets not forget Germany didnt really respect Poland by then.
So it was more like vassalization offer from Hitler.
Hitler wanted our soldiers to die attacking ussr, then Hitler would be able to do anything he wanted with Poland.
So taking all these in consideration, Poland decided to stay with France/UK instead.

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 25 2025 04:14am)

Fake country? Lol
More than 1000 year history. Common identity. Common language. Many urprisings against occupants.
Poland in 18th century was kind of similar to today democratic Europe: people didnt want to pay high taxes to have a large military, they preferred to spend money on luxuries instead, so Russians conquered our country with their army, also using some corruption and media influence. kind of similar of what is going on today in Europe.

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 25 2025 08:31am)

No, the **1947 elections in Poland were not fair**. They were heavily manipulated by the communist authorities, with widespread fraud, intimidation, and violence.

### **Key Reasons Why the Elections Were Rigged:**

1. **Terror and Repression:**
- The communist-controlled secret police (**UB**) and Soviet NKVD **arrested thousands** of opposition activists before the election.
- Political opponents were **beaten, tortured, or murdered**.
- The Polish People’s Party (**PSL**, the main opposition) faced constant harassment, with its leaders under surveillance and members being arrested.

2. **Elimination of Opposition:**
- Many **candidates were disqualified** or forced to withdraw.
- The PSL, led by **Stanisław Mikołajczyk**, was the only major non-communist party, but it was weakened by repression.
- Other democratic groups were banned or infiltrated by communists.

3. **Electoral Fraud:**
- Ballot boxes were **stuffed with fake votes**.
- The vote count was **manipulated** by the authorities.
- The real results were never officially disclosed.

4. **Soviet Influence:**
- Stalin personally ensured that the elections would produce a **pro-communist result**.
- Soviet advisors helped plan the fraud.

### **Official vs. Estimated Real Results:**
- The communist-controlled **"Democratic Bloc"** (PPR, PPS, SL, SD) officially won **over 80%** of the vote.
- The **PSL likely received around 60-70% of real votes**, but this was falsified.

### **Outcome and Consequences:**
- **Communists fully took control of Poland**, eliminating the last hopes for democracy.
- **Mikołajczyk fled the country**, fearing arrest or execution.
- Poland became a Soviet **satellite state**, leading to decades of communist rule.

This was one of the most **fraudulent elections in Polish history** and marked the final step in Poland’s transition to a communist dictatorship under Soviet control.

Quote (PapaPsych @ 25 Mar 2025 21:37)

Typical deflection, and blame everything on Russia.
When it was all the doing of the Non-Germanic Polish slavs, who thought communism was a great idea.
Look how great that UK alliance turned out, you started WW3 over your collective desire to be ruled by Communists.

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 25 2025 04:59pm)

Polish people wanted to keep the independence and decided to defend it, instead of surrendering to Hitler demands.
This is a kind of slavic attitude, we are brave and we dont like to be other slaves (or at least used to before we got soft these days).
The term "slavic" even comes from "slave" word, because our people were often slaves in ancient times to german tribes. We didnt like that at all, so there was no enthusiasm to become slaves again.
Didnt succeed, Hitler won, happens, but at least we triedto stop him.

After losing to Hitler in Poland, polish plane pilots escaped to UK, and helped UK to defend against Hitler attacks.
If UK fallen to Hitler then I cant imagine how would the history look like.

clearly you are not reading what I'm writing, so further discussion is useless.

Quote (PapaPsych @ 25 Mar 2025 23:18)

Polish independence to join communism, here in the United States we took anti communist actions.
Poland saw no reason to suppress communism, and actively took steps to enjoin it.
Now today they parade around like they were victims of Communism.