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Mar 25 2025 12:18am
There are two possible outcomes to the peace talks:
1) Trump gets angry with Putin and keep on selling weapons to Ukraine, the fighting will continue and outcome is uncertain (my bet is on Ukraine in that scenario).
2) Trump surrenders Ukraine to Putin by means like: stopping starlink internet access, banning sending satelite images to Ukraine, deny spare parts for American made equipment, ban selling ammunition.

Which of these would Trump voters rather prefer?
Honestly 1) is better by all means, but if "America first, America Alone" is a serious thing then it makes sense to have Russia conquer Europe so that America dont have to trade with those Europeans any more and can be more alone in the world full of dictators.


1) is only a better scenario if Ukraine actually prevails in it, which is far from certain. If they ultimately crumble anyway, it's the worst of all scenarios.

Also note that Russia lacks the strength to conquer Europe. If the US completely abandon Europe, they could probably take the Baltics, but not much further.

And keep in mind that US investment funds have trillions of dollars invested in Western Europe, all of which would be gone if Russia actually conquered the continent. So if it ever looked like Russia was about to break through in Europe, the US would have no other choice than to come to their rescue, no matter how isolationist the current POTUS (Trump, Vance, etc.) is and how much he would hate to do it.



MSM brainwashed you well. Trump cannot deny access to starlink. The service was paid for by Poland to Elon Musk's private company.


Meh. If Musk really wanted to, he could easily find some flimsy excuse to shut it down. He has no real reason to do that, so it's a hypothetical - but if I were Ukraine, I wouldn't want my national security to be based on "b-b-but he signed a legally binding contract".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 25 2025 12:19am
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Mar 25 2025 02:17am
What's your problem with the former USSR anyways?
To my understanding Hitler tried to diplomatically resolve the Danzig crisis, by demanding that Poland sign a treaty agreement to be Anti-Communist, and Poland refused to give up support for communism, and prospects of joining the USSR.
So I don't understand why polish people today have animosity.


Former USSR murdered polish elites, or any people they considered as "bad slaves", and was occupying our country for 50 years against our will, which is one the reasons our country bankrupted in the 80s and our monthly salaries were 20usd only - we were poor. Also if USSR decided to attack NATO during the cold war, Poles would have to go attack Germany and France, against our will. This scenario didnt happen, but it was possible.
Also Russia often attacked and occupied us since 1700s.
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About the Hitler proposition: there were three błocks:
- democratic western Europe (France, UK)
- Germany
- USSR
By joining Germany Poland would have to leave France/UK alliance. We simply chosed UK/France over Hitler. Our politicians thought that Hitler will not have balls to fight both France and Poland at the same time.
We knew what Hitler done with Austria and Czechia, we knew that he didnt respect any deal.
Also Hitler asked not only for Danzig, but also for an exterritorial road and railway going through Poland, which would make any future attacks on Poland easier.
And lets not forget Germany didnt really respect Poland by then.
So it was more like vassalization offer from Hitler.
Hitler wanted our soldiers to die attacking ussr, then Hitler would be able to do anything he wanted with Poland.
So taking all these in consideration, Poland decided to stay with France/UK instead.
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Mar 25 2025 03:14am
To my understanding Poland is largely a fake country that ceased to exist in the early 19th century, and it was re-created by the allies in the treaty of Versailles to punish Germany.


Fake country? Lol
More than 1000 year history. Common identity. Common language. Many urprisings against occupants.
Poland in 18th century was kind of similar to today democratic Europe: people didnt want to pay high taxes to have a large military, they preferred to spend money on luxuries instead, so Russians conquered our country with their army, also using some corruption and media influence. kind of similar of what is going on today in Europe.
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Mar 25 2025 03:45am
Former USSR murdered polish elites, or any people they considered as "bad slaves", and was occupying our country for 50 years against our will, which is one the reasons our country bankrupted in the 80s and our monthly salaries were 20usd only - we were poor. Also if USSR decided to attack NATO during the cold war, Poles would have to go attack Germany and France, against our will. This scenario didnt happen, but it was possible.
Also Russia often attacked and occupied us since 1700s.
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About the Hitler proposition: there were three błocks:
- democratic western Europe (France, UK)
- Germany
- USSR
By joining Germany Poland would have to leave France/UK alliance. We simply chosed UK/France over Hitler. Our politicians thought that Hitler will not have balls to fight both France and Poland at the same time.
We knew what Hitler done with Austria and Czechia, we knew that he didnt respect any deal.
Also Hitler asked not only for Danzig, but also for an exterritorial road and railway going through Poland, which would make any future attacks on Poland easier.
And lets not forget Germany didnt really respect Poland by then.
So it was more like vassalization offer from Hitler.
Hitler wanted our soldiers to die attacking ussr, then Hitler would be able to do anything he wanted with Poland.
So taking all these in consideration, Poland decided to stay with France/UK instead.


Yes, we knew "what Hitler done with Czechia". He split it with Poland.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
Should I mention Poland attacking Russia since 1500s :) ?
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Fake country? Lol
More than 1000 year history. Common identity. Common language. Many urprisings against occupants.
Poland in 18th century was kind of similar to today democratic Europe: people didnt want to pay high taxes to have a large military, they preferred to spend money on luxuries instead, so Russians conquered our country with their army, also using some corruption and media influence. kind of similar of what is going on today in Europe.


Let's say you joined analogue of EU called Russian Empire xD
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Mar 25 2025 05:47am
1) is only a better scenario if Ukraine actually prevails in it, which is far from certain. If they ultimately crumble anyway, it's the worst of all scenarios.

Also note that Russia lacks the strength to conquer Europe. If the US completely abandon Europe, they could probably take the Baltics, but not much further.

And keep in mind that US investment funds have trillions of dollars invested in Western Europe, all of which would be gone if Russia actually conquered the continent. So if it ever looked like Russia was about to break through in Europe, the US would have no other choice than to come to their rescue, no matter how isolationist the current POTUS (Trump, Vance, etc.) is and how much he would hate to do it.

Meh. If Musk really wanted to, he could easily find some flimsy excuse to shut it down. He has no real reason to do that, so it's a hypothetical - but if I were Ukraine, I wouldn't want my national security to be based on "b-b-but he signed a legally binding contract".


Even if Russia is stronger than I think, which I cant deny, and Ukrainians will have to eventually flee west, they still prefer to kill some of attackers before retreating over the western border.
If somebody comes to hurt you, your country, take your fatherland, and you need to run away, wouldnt you like to hurt him first, to make him regret?

USA has some investments in Europe, hovewer Putin might make some deals with Trump, that he will partially respect USA investments and do not confiscate all goods.
Since Putin and Trump like each other its possible they meet a compromise to split European wealth amongst them.
Remember Putin doesnt give shit about wealth. He wants power, he wants his place in Russia history as the one who brought Berlin back into Russia ownership.
So basically the deal could be: some of the money goes to Trump/USA, while power and fame goes to Putin. Everybody happy.
Its possible that's where Putin ambitions stop, he might even leave western Germany alone, as he is quite old already, but we dont know if Russia next dictator will go further or not.

You say that Russia is weak, and they are, but in Europe we dont have any armies, so we are even weaker. The only big army we have in Europe is Ukrainian, and the collective west is about to tell them to surrender to Russia.
Our best army, we are surrending, because european and american people are "tired" of giving them just like 1% of their gdp to assist Ukrainian war effort. Because "the war is too long".
"Too much" for voters to pay for security. They are "so much tired".
Do you REALLY expect same voters to defend Europe collectively?
Or everybody will be looking for excuses instead?
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Mar 25 2025 05:54am
1) is only a better scenario if Ukraine actually prevails in it, which is far from certain. If they ultimately crumble anyway, it's the worst of all scenarios.

Also note that Russia lacks the strength to conquer Europe. If the US completely abandon Europe, they could probably take the Baltics, but not much further.

And keep in mind that US investment funds have trillions of dollars invested in Western Europe, all of which would be gone if Russia actually conquered the continent. So if it ever looked like Russia was about to break through in Europe, the US would have no other choice than to come to their rescue, no matter how isolationist the current POTUS (Trump, Vance, etc.) is and how much he would hate to do it.





Meh. If Musk really wanted to, he could easily find some flimsy excuse to shut it down. He has no real reason to do that, so it's a hypothetical - but if I were Ukraine, I wouldn't want my national security to be based on "b-b-but he signed a legally binding contract".


Adi, there's a proposal to team up and split Ironfister.
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Former USSR murdered polish elites, or any people they considered as "bad slaves", and was occupying our country for 50 years against our will, which is one the reasons our country bankrupted in the 80s and our monthly salaries were 20usd only - we were poor. Also if USSR decided to attack NATO during the cold war, Poles would have to go attack Germany and France, against our will. This scenario didnt happen, but it was possible.
Also Russia often attacked and occupied us since 1700s.
-----
About the Hitler proposition: there were three błocks:
- democratic western Europe (France, UK)
- Germany
- USSR
By joining Germany Poland would have to leave France/UK alliance. We simply chosed UK/France over Hitler. Our politicians thought that Hitler will not have balls to fight both France and Poland at the same time.
We knew what Hitler done with Austria and Czechia, we knew that he didnt respect any deal.
Also Hitler asked not only for Danzig, but also for an exterritorial road and railway going through Poland, which would make any future attacks on Poland easier.
And lets not forget Germany didnt really respect Poland by then.
So it was more like vassalization offer from Hitler.
Hitler wanted our soldiers to die attacking ussr, then Hitler would be able to do anything he wanted with Poland.
So taking all these in consideration, Poland decided to stay with France/UK instead.


Those Polish elites fucked around and found out

They thought they could carry out an unprovoked genocide against ethnic Russians with no consequences

And the Warsaw pact was a mutual defence alliance much like NATO. Poland was communist bro it was your will, just admit it

This post was edited by El1te on Mar 25 2025 06:59am
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Mar 25 2025 07:18am
Those Polish elites fucked around and found out

They thought they could carry out an unprovoked genocide against ethnic Russians with no consequences

And the Warsaw pact was a mutual defence alliance much like NATO. Poland was communist bro it was your will, just admit it


There was nothing of our will.
Poland lost WW2 to Germans and Russians, eventually Russians defeated Germans in the eastern Europe, so became rulers here after the war finished.
Russians murdered all polish political elites and opposition.

There was no genocide against Russians in Poland, stop spreading lies.
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There was nothing of our will.
Poland lost WW2 to Germans and Russians, eventually Russians defeated Germans in the eastern Europe, so became rulers here after the war finished.
Russians murdered all polish political elites and opposition.

There was no genocide against Russians in Poland, stop spreading lies.


1947 elections say otherwise

Poland was utterly destroyed during the war but ultimately came out on the winning side as an Allied state

There was no murder of all polish political elites and opposition, stop spreading lies.

Russia liberated Poland from the Germans. This isn't in dispute. Watch the ending of Schindler's List

This post was edited by El1te on Mar 25 2025 07:24am
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