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ok so basically your saying that stuff like the geneva convention is irrelevant, international law is irrelevant and any nation, as long as they are strong enough, can ethnically cleanse, or genocide, their weaker neighbors. This also suggests that if a nation is barbaric or inhuman, its OK to respond in kind, or even to be disproportionately more barbaric. barbaric is probably the wrong word, say rather more technical and efficient in killing. as an example the 2000 lbs bombs that were used over the last couple of days by Israel (guided by the UK) to bomb the tents currently in gaza (400 dead in recent days). this is not a headline, its a reality.


That's exactly what I'm saying, it is irrelevant with respect to collective punishment. It's relevant with regards to other conventions of war.

The UN was established by the Allies after their victory in WWII. The permanent members are the Victor states - USA, Britain, France, Russia, and China. The Allies utilized collective punishment in the most brutal means possible to win the war - relentless bombing and firebombing campaigns against their enemies' civilian centers. This is not in dispute. So it really is a case here of "rules for thee, not for me. We can utilize collective punishment to break the will of the enemy, but you can not"

We have an obligation as civilized people to eradicate barbarism. Barbarism is not required to eliminate it. Barbarians are pacified by sufficient punishment, when they fear the consequences of their actions. Punishment doesn't require raping children.
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What would proportionate be?
Hamas launched a genocidal attack with the aim of raping and killing any jews they met with no quarter given, and are supported by most of their populace in this. It seems a proportional response would be the total destruction of Gaza and its people. There's nothing remotely proportionate about Israel launching a counterattack where they knock on roofs and call ahead to minimize civilian casualties, where they take prisoners from anyone who surrenders, where they provide humanitarian aid. Targeting combatants and being unable to distinguish collateral damage, or infrequent abuses- really pale in comparison to a 7th century mentality of terrorists.
Palestinian losses have been lopsided, but that's also an issue of proportional demographics

I don't think Israel should be engaged in a proportional response, the entire Israeli - Palestinian conflict since the 40s has been premised in the ethical decision of Israel permitting the existence of a population that would kill them all if they got the chance.


I think the proportional response for being kept in an Open air concentration camp was Oct. 7th, and that Israel should just accept that occasionally the prisoners might rebel against their captivity.
Instead they killed most of their own civilians in Kibbutz with artillery and rockets, then paraded their charred remains on TV claiming that Hamas soldiers sat there with a box knife and blowtorch doing this all day to one person.
If that was the "Ethical Decision" to be made, then they should of made Israel in Germany.

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That's exactly what I'm saying, it is irrelevant with respect to collective punishment. It's relevant with regards to other conventions of war.

The UN was established by the Allies after their victory in WWII. The permanent members are the Victor states - USA, Britain, France, Russia, and China. The Allies utilized collective punishment in the most brutal means possible to win the war - relentless bombing and firebombing campaigns against their enemies' civilian centers. This is not in dispute. So it really is a case here of "rules for thee, not for me. We can utilize collective punishment to break the will of the enemy, but you can not"

We have an obligation as civilized people to eradicate barbarism. Barbarism is not required to eliminate it. Barbarians are pacified by sufficient punishment, when they fear the consequences of their actions. Punishment doesn't require raping children.


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I think the proportional response for being kept in an Open air concentration camp was Oct. 7th, and that Israel should just accept that occasionally the prisoners might rebel against their captivity.
Instead they killed most of their own civilians in Kibbutz with artillery and rockets, then paraded their charred remains on TV claiming that Hamas soldiers sat there with a box knife and blowtorch doing this all day to one person.
If that was the "Ethical Decision" to be made, then they should of made Israel in Germany.


Why didnt they attack Egypt?

I’ll tell you why, because Egypt would eradicate them and the Hypocrites in the western world wouldnt care

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Still waiting for what pgms israel has been using for bombing civilian infrastructure where there is zero aa/ad and circular error probability doesnt matter.

If any of you think israel is hitting valid military targets, you really have no idea what youre talking about. Im not saying that ethnically cleansing gaza via indiscriminate bombings isnt a valid military tactic, but so far all its got is the ire of white people and Al-Qassam's still chillin in dem tunnels. The strategy of offloading the gazans into Egypt thus far, has been a colossal failure. Bombing gaza into an inhospitable wasteland has been a moderate success.

You dont get to kill women and children willy-nilly cause a bunch of 70iq retards with parachutes somehow managed to embarrass you.

The IDF do not target women and children.

It also seem houtis are about to meet their maker
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Why didnt they attack Egypt?

I’ll tell you why, because Egypt would eradicate them and the Hypocrites in the western world wouldnt care


Because Israel put them in the concentration camp, administers and occupies the concentration camps.
Why would they attack Egypt?
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Because Israel put them in the concentration camp, administers and occupies the concentration camps.
Why would they attack Egypt?


Egypt shares borders with them aswell
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Egypt shares borders with them aswell


Yeah, but Egypt doesn't have fiefdom over their shitty unbearable existence, Israel does.
Egypt didn't kick them off their land in 1948, and they certainly didn't rape & kill them if they refused to leave like in Tantura.
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Yeah, but Egypt doesn't have fiefdom over their shitty unbearable existence, Israel does.
Egypt didn't kick them off their land in 1948, and they certainly didn't rape & kill them if they refused to leave like in Tantura.


They actually did, they controlled gaza until 1967
They erased the entire egyptian Rafah with bombs to stop the Palestinians from supporting terrorists in the sinai peninsula
And created a buffer zone

This just shows you have no idea what you are talking about
History cannot be learned trough tiktok sir

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They actually did, they controlled gaza until 1967
They erased the entire egyptian Rafah with bombs to stop the Palestinians from supporting terrorists in the sinai peninsula
And created a buffer zone

This just shows you have no idea what you are talking about
History cannot be learned trough tiktok sir


Your not addressing any of my points.
I'm looking for the Old MGM videos on the creation of Israel where the Jews are telling the people of Palestine to get on the fucking trains.
Instead google gives me this.


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