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Mar 15 2025 06:27pm
5 figures on paper but im a long term investor, why does it matter?


Was wondering.
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Mar 17 2025 08:43pm
That isn't what you said. You said in that specific post that I quoted that billionaires are simply on the level of middle managers. When we are discussing billionaires here, we aren't talking about second generations. We are talking about people who build companies and that builds their wealth. In what way do you think that a person who has achieved so much equates to a middle manager?


You have never worked in a fortune 500 corporation have you?
The ceo is often the least talented person in the building.
And a great deal of billionaires became one from luck more than any real talent.
Bill gates is one of the most successful men on the planet but if his mom didn't know the ceo of ibm and ibm had a better contract lawyer you wouldn't even know his name.

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You have never worked in a fortune 500 corporation have you?
The ceo is often the least talented person in the building.
And a great deal of billionaires became one from luck more than any real talent.


I've seen a smaller corporation on the stock market get run into the ground because the people on the board knew nothing about the products, and processes that the various companies they oversaw made.
They had some meeting about Automation, and offshoring, neither of which worked out for them in the end, when the writing was on the wall they all left the parent company long before the stock price went down to like $.12
They got a covid bailout too, even though it was nothing but their own board ruining 4 different companies simultaneously by thinking they could automate without absolutely tight tolerances.
Turns out the problems in Mexico where they off shored the old equipment, they couldn't get the labor force in Monterrey Mexico to produce product to spec.

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Mar 18 2025 03:30pm
So he just launched a mission to rescue the stranded astronauts. Since you guys despise the man and hope for his death, how are you feeling today?


We love in a world where the best person could make 1 mistake and they will only focus on that 1 mistake.

Those that hate do so because they haven't experienced love.

Elon does a lot of great things, but will hate him because that's fake media for you. The far left are brainwashed.
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Mar 21 2025 12:26am
more reeeeing time
He did it again.
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Mar 21 2025 03:22am
Someone making $100,000 pays $17,000 in taxes each year.

If you make 1 billion dollars, you pay $200,000,000 in taxes each year.

How much more should they pay?


That’s not true.

There are millions of different ways for rich people not to pay taxes. Stock buybacks, taking loans on their assets, moving to a tax-free paradise like Puerto-Rico (for financial gains, anyway), setting up NGOs, Real Estate shenanigans, bribes, moving your assets to other family members etc.

And there will always be more ways invented, if needed.

That’s why trying to fix the system by taxing the billionaires more will never work. It should be fixed by taxing the regular people less.
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Mar 21 2025 07:18am
That’s not true.

There are millions of different ways for rich people not to pay taxes. Stock buybacks, taking loans on their assets, moving to a tax-free paradise like Puerto-Rico (for financial gains, anyway), setting up NGOs, Real Estate shenanigans, bribes, moving your assets to other family members etc.

And there will always be more ways invented, if needed.

That’s why trying to fix the system by taxing the billionaires more will never work. It should be fixed by taxing the regular people less.


A company which buys back its own stock invests in itself, and is functionally no different than a company investing in any other kind of asset. This increases the price of the remaining shares, and in turn increases the capital gains owed by investors when the asset is sold. If the stock buybacks drive EPS growth, and enable larger dividend payments, those higher dividends will be taxed as well. Corporate income tax, capital gains, and taxing dividends as income all represent cases of double taxation, not tax avoidance.

The heaviest tax burden is levied on the highest income earners, both proportionally and in absolute terms. As you become increasingly wealthy it's true that most or all of your income might be related to long-term capital gains or dividends, and those are taxed at separate rates. Even in that case, though, the income is still being taxed twice, once at the corporate level and once at the point of distribution or sale.
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Mar 21 2025 07:55am
A company which buys back its own stock invests in itself, and is functionally no different than a company investing in any other kind of asset. This increases the price of the remaining shares, and in turn increases the capital gains owed by investors when the asset is sold. If the stock buybacks drive EPS growth, and enable larger dividend payments, those higher dividends will be taxed as well. Corporate income tax, capital gains, and taxing dividends as income all represent cases of double taxation, not tax avoidance.

The heaviest tax burden is levied on the highest income earners, both proportionally and in absolute terms. As you become increasingly wealthy it's true that most or all of your income might be related to long-term capital gains or dividends, and those are taxed at separate rates. Even in that case, though, the income is still being taxed twice, once at the corporate level and once at the point of distribution or sale.


On a non-taxation note, buybacks have increasingly become a tool to artificially drive stock price in recent years. Its actually been pretty negative.

Debt levels in corps are increasingly higher, using leverage to buy back stock, then you have those same companies sucking on the corporate welfare stream from the fed. Its referred too as a financial engineering tool at this point by the c-suite. The time you are referring to where it was more positive than just a tool to drive price artificially higher is prior to the SEC changing the rules in 1982. Artificially pumping the share price when the company isn't actually doing any better, and now were at what, a PE Ratio of >35 and since that rule change in 1982 prices per share is 6x for the same profits back then.

Then you have companies spending more on buybacks rather than R&D or actual dividends because it pumps stock prices and with the huge increase to C-Suite compensation tied to stock price its incentivised and its not sustainable, enter corporate welfare.

Stock buybacks need to get regulated again by the SEC like they were prior to 1982, were not seeing healthy, sustainable buybacks.


"Income is still being taxed twice, once at the corporate level and once at the point of distribution or sale."

I am sure the states are similar as Canada, you make it sound as if its taxed at more because it gets taxed twice, but that's not true, at-least not in Canada. The tax concept integration works, for the most part The idea being that there should be little to no difference in overall income tax paid, personal + corporate compared to just earning it personally. I won't go through all the tax rates, federal abatements, provincial abatements, dividend tax credits, etc. but you get the point. Its taxed twice, yes but the net is the same and usually lower than if you just paid it personally since the huge benefit is obviously tax deferral.

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A company which buys back its own stock invests in itself, and is functionally no different than a company investing in any other kind of asset. This increases the price of the remaining shares, and in turn increases the capital gains owed by investors when the asset is sold. If the stock buybacks drive EPS growth, and enable larger dividend payments, those higher dividends will be taxed as well. Corporate income tax, capital gains, and taxing dividends as income all represent cases of double taxation, not tax avoidance.

No, that's just a theoretical understanding. In practice corporations buy back their shares with the money that could've been spent on dividends (which would be taxed). So it's just a tax-avoidance game.

The heaviest tax burden is levied on the highest income earners, both proportionally and in absolute terms. As you become increasingly wealthy it's true that most or all of your income might be related to long-term capital gains or dividends, and those are taxed at separate rates. Even in that case, though, the income is still being taxed twice, once at the corporate level and once at the point of distribution or sale.

You don't know what's their real base for taxation, so you don't know how much % they really pay.

Here, straight from the horse's mouth :) :

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Mar 21 2025 10:41am
The problem here is that the left are complete and total hypocrites.

The Democrat party is the party of the billionaire elite not the other way around. They love Gates, Soros, Bezos (who now switched sides since the left is so f*cking crazy they radicalized him), Zuckerberg (also radicalized him, great job), and Elon himself previously (also radicalized the most now)

Not to mention all the faceless Jewish billionaires associated with the Democrats


This might be the most delusional post on jsp, good job!
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