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99% sure that Tesla is committing blatant fraud here

https://motorillustrated.com/suspicious-tesla-sales-surge-triggers-canadian-government-investigation/149947/

Over a three-day period, Tesla reported selling 8,600 vehicles at four locations across the country, resulting in $43 million in government rebates.

One Tesla location in Toronto reported more than 1,200 sales on January 11 alone, accounting for $4 million in rebates.
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Mar 8 2025 10:06am
99% sure that Tesla is committing blatant fraud here

https://motorillustrated.com/suspicious-tesla-sales-surge-triggers-canadian-government-investigation/149947/

Over a three-day period, Tesla reported selling 8,600 vehicles at four locations across the country, resulting in $43 million in government rebates.

One Tesla location in Toronto reported more than 1,200 sales on January 11 alone, accounting for $4 million in rebates.


Why aren't you 100% sure?
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Mar 8 2025 10:44am
Wouldn't be worth it even if they are selling to eachother
That's 3,333 per vehicle on that one dealership

Other EV makers are cheaper and better quality
Tesla may have started the EV craze but theyre shit cars now

Tesla perceived value has gone in the toilet since Musk outed himself as far right scumbag. Their stock price tanked too kekkkk
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they deserve it
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Mar 9 2025 12:21am
This story doesn't add up, or is lacking informed details.

One, usually EV rebates directly benefit the end vehicle buyer, in this case the Canadian citizen. Tesla or other, would benefit from increased sales incentive. Are you saying Tesla has ghost transactions and is claiming the incentive themselves?

Second, it's not clear if the rebate is in the form of a reimbursement. And if it's a reimbursement, there is likely a time range to apply paperwork for it. I assume the dealerships are reimbursed for the EV rebates they give when closing the sale.

Could be malicious compliance with a shoddy system. Probably not, governments make the best systems.

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This story doesn't add up, or is lacking informed details.

One, usually EV rebates directly benefit the end vehicle buyer, in this case the Canadian citizen. Tesla or other, would benefit from increased sales incentive. Are you saying Tesla has ghost transactions and is claiming the incentive themselves?

Second, it's not clear if the rebate is in the form of a reimbursement. And if it's a reimbursement, there is likely a time range to apply paperwork for it. I assume the dealerships are reimbursed for the EV rebates they give when closing the sale.

Could be malicious compliance with a shoddy system. Probably not, governments make the best systems.


it is very unlikely that tesla sales surged instantly in a short time frame just before ev rebate benefits ended, especially at a time when tesla sales are tanking sharply globally
the process around rebates is not well guarded and tesla has clearly done something fraudulent here trying to claim half the pool of funds that were available

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The Toronto Star reported that four Tesla outlets filed for 8,653 EV sales in just 72 hours, worth $43.1 million in rebates. This ultimately led to the portal’s shutdown, leaving hundreds of dealerships without a way to recoup the rebates they had offered to buyers at the point of sale.

Independent dealerships have reportedly spent $10 million out of pocket. Now a Canada Automobile Dealers Association spokesperson thinks Tesla may have done something unusual, possibly illegal.

Here’s more from the Star:

“These dealers in good faith gave customers the money for a program that is always refunded,” said CADA spokesperson Huw Williams. “They shouldn’t be left making a payment on behalf of the Government of Canada.”

“Tesla had a run on the bank,” said Williams. “Somehow, Tesla gamed the system.”

As per Transport Canada rules, rebate applications "must" be filed before the car is delivered. But that rule was apparently not being enforced, so it’s possible that previous claims were filed right before the rebate program was ending. Some officials likened that to the “Black Friday” of EV sales.

One Tesla store in Quebec City alone filed for 4,000 rebates in a weekend, according to the report. Now dealerships that were unable to file for reimbursements are in the red for as much as half a million dollars.
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Mar 9 2025 10:18am
it is very unlikely that tesla sales surged instantly in a short time frame just before ev rebate benefits ended, especially at a time when tesla sales are tanking sharply globally
the process around rebates is not well guarded and tesla has clearly done something fraudulent here trying to claim half the pool of funds that were available


How so, isn't that the exact scenario where they would of surged?
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Mar 9 2025 12:26pm
How so, isn't that the exact scenario where they would of surged?


No one is buying teslas anymore

One tesla store filing for 4000 rebates in a weekend as per the story isn't very likely

This post was edited by duffman316 on Mar 9 2025 12:26pm
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