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Mar 6 2025 03:20pm
maybe im missing something, but isnt the USA now attempting to pull out of this really disgusting?

if "all" this started because of an illegitimate election that got Zelensky elected, orchestrated by the CIA (or NATO), or NATO (and NATO essentially being the US's toys) getting closer to Russia's border. Arent the Americans just as responsible about starting all of this as anyone else involved?

and if so, how do they now justify telling Ukraine, that theyre now on their own?

again, maybe im missing something, but what kind of responsibility does one country have to another despite having a change in administration? or is it simply a case of Trump doesnt give a f**k?
you still arent going to convince me Kamala should have won, but this looks really disgusting from here.


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Mar 6 2025 03:25pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VloMC21HIWo
This instead of Naruto and Dragon Ballz for starters :lol:


Makes me think of He-Man :lol:

Europeans are just too effete and socialist. It would require an entire culture change from a can't-do attitude to a can-do attitude. They're too anti-freedom, and blame events on a collective instead of on the individual perpetrator. They see personal responsibility as adherence to a set of societal rules, instead of with respect to their own actions and inactions.

This is because Russians and Canadians/Americans were pioneers and thus come from a pioneer culture of self reliance and building things. The frontier. Europe is just too old and removed from such ideas

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Mar 6 2025 03:44pm
if "all" this started because of an illegitimate election that got Zelensky elected, orchestrated by the CIA (or NATO), or NATO (and NATO essentially being the US's toys) getting closer to Russia's border. Arent the Americans just as responsible about starting all of this as anyone else involved?

Correct.

and if so, how do they now justify telling Ukraine, that theyre now on their own?

again, maybe im missing something, but what kind of responsibility does one country have to another despite having a change in administration?

They don't have too. "The powerful do as they wish and the weak suffer as they must" :(

I too wish that global politics was governed by morality and some basic decency but unfortunately it isn't.

It's just about different groups of interests. Not always different countries' interest btw., but also the globalist elites, corporations, military-industrial complex, etc.

America / globalist elites viewed their interest in provoking the war in Ukraine so they did. Now they don't see it that way anymore, or they think they've achieved as much as they could so they behave differently. Cruel...
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Mar 6 2025 05:08pm
I'm confused why you are being a coward. Lol.


You'll bend the knee too

The only reason you haven't yet is because it's safe. You're a coward.
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Mar 7 2025 07:54am
No one is going to spoon feed you content that is readily available for you to watch.

If you really think this is an important topic then you'd be interested in what Keith Kellogg has to say about it.

Looks like you're just here to rage and rant and no one cares. Like I already pointed out, establishment shills are no longer relevant. You lost all there was to lose


Posting a video is not an argument.
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Mar 8 2025 10:51am
I cannot believe there is an actual traditional catholic in the wilds here. I thought they were just stuffy, smelly old men.


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Mar 8 2025 11:36am
Posting a video is not an argument.


This is 100% true and should accompany PARD rules. But calling something putin propaganda isn't an argument either
The question you had at stake is;

But the question is whether the US orchestrated the revolution in Ukraine. And that's obviously bullshit. Ukraine had a revolution because they had a leader who was aligned with Russia and the people wanted to go another direction. In the aftermath of the revolution, America was dealing with the people in charge, because that's what we do.


That question is a lot murkier than you make it. There's a reasonable chance America conducted purposeful agitprop and stirred up the color revolution, even if it didn't directly orchestrate it with state actors. And once the revolution was in swing, the US very clearly adopted and micromanaged it and puppeteer the resulting government. Furthermore, we don't "deal with the people in charge because that's what we do", America has long held an explicit policy that we won't recognize the revolutionary regimes that overthrow democracies- something we seem to waive any time we like the resulting regime, making us hypocrites.

I don't think we can say it has been proven how much or little the US had to do with the formation of the revolution. It could be a wide margin, between the CIA organizing it, or just being opportunists who had no idea it would even happen. At the same time, our reaction to the revolution was damning in and of itself. We supported the revolution, we took over the regime, we propped up an authoritarian government that disenfranchised half the country and engaged in atrocities, repression and civil war.



also to elaborate on the unknowable here: We reasonably know that the US engaged in cyber operations, propaganda / paid actors to instigate protests against Putin during his election in 2011. It was only 3 years later that the Maidan occurred, Russia would have ever reason to think it had a similar nexus whether or not it actually did. And we still don't know.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 8 2025 11:38am
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