you're splitting a hair. if we concede somehow that an embryo in the early stages, even if it doesn't constitute life, is not innocent, and frankly i dont see that as in anyway logical. well then you still have the issue of a large % of abortions that take place on more formed human babies. but if you're a pro choice person who thinks abortion should be limited to say the first month (to be in line with your logic) then you'd see the issue get resolved a lot quicker across the nation.

in a binary a zygote isn't "innocent" so it's "guilty"?

in bibilical terms "innocent" means pre-sin or without-sin, or even post Catholicism "absolved of sin". but maybe babies are in the womb coveting another man's wife. who can say.

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The one instance where abortion as we understand it is mentioned. Is permitted and committed by God as a punishment to adultery.

The "bitter water" has historical evidence as well. There were concoctions that would force miscarriages. This was given to women.. by Priests. Long before we even came to America.

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I'm not making an argument for abortion or against it. I would not permit an abortion myself. If I had the choice I would not do it. But what I am saying is I have no right, even from my scripture to tell people otherwise.

you're using a pedantic interpretation of scripture to end around occam's razor. and you're using 21st century science on when life may or may not begin to come to that conclusion, in context of what god apparently said to stone age nomads.

according to scripture god said dont spill the blood of innocents, and you're saying "well according to the most recent study the clump of cells might not apply". its an odd argument tbh, scripture thrives on the most simple conclusion being the correct one, that's how it has in any way stood the test of time even though in modern times it has a hard time being relevant to modern life. but any argument claiming a zygote isn't qualified as innocent in the context of sin is wild to me.

You can repeat yourself as many times as you want, but it doesn’t make you any less wrong. The scripture is clear on the subject, despite whatever way you decide to interpret it. I’ll pray for you though.

like Elon Musk?

if the Peter Thiels of the world get their way...

No, because abortion is healthcare and abortions have been performed since biblical times.

Yep. Abortion has been found in virtually every single culture. It's been portrayed as evil or practical through many religions too. But, and a lot of Christians don't want to admit it: the countries with the strictest and lowest abortion rates are all Muslim countries. Not Christian.

Men are just responsible as women. Just how Adam was just as responsible when he himself chose to indulge in sinning with Eve. She didn't put a gun to him, he did it with his own free will.