Its easy to make use of Europe.
Germany has excellent engineers, scientists and worker people, who make excellent quality stuff, they are world leader in exporting goods, and 1 soldier is enough to oversee a dozen or two dozens of civilians.
Nazi Germany only kept 100k soldiers to oversee occupied France.
Do you think Russians dont have 100k-200k soldiers?
Baltics are part of NATO but Russia has stated that it doesnt see them as a part of NATO, that they see them as Russian zone territory.
So when Russia attacks baltics, it will be up to Germans and French to decide whether they will accept Russia point of view or spill their own blood. And it wont be an easy decision, because european people simply want to live a peaceful life, and will be probably willing to accept Russian excuse to stay back.
Especially since Germany and France have very little military to defend Europe against Russia.
Are they gonna drive Volkswagen Golf (which is a great car btw) against Russian tanks or what?
France lost a war against nazists in a month, now today Europe is pretty similar to pre-ww2 France and Putin is pretty similar to Adolf H.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Mar 6 2025 04:37am

Russia isn't Germany of 1939 and Nazis couldn't occupy France for long. Hitler was a madman on powertrip. Germany never had the capability to maintain the control of occupied territory for a very long time.
Now, about the conflict. Instead of making Russia weaker, we made them stronger. They have got a big army now ready to fight as you say. We are sending our ammunition and money to Ukraine for them to fight instead of creating our own army. Yes, it takes time and we have to buy that time (peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine). We know the conflict is only going to be frozen for the time being but that's the time we need to rebuild our military. As I see now, we are being drained from material and money while Ukraine is clearly losing. As soon as all of Ukraine falls we are pants down. We're more interested in a ceasefire than Russia according to your own words. We are not interested in losing all of Ukraine, there would be no buffer Zone with Russia at Poland's doorstep. I don't like it at all.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Mar 6 2025 04:50am

Hitler was doing ok in France, they even had Vichy government to help them, and resistance was very limited.
Do you know how nazi maintained control? For every nazi killed by the resistance, nazis killed 100 Innocent civilians. That makes civilians not helping the resistance, and actually helping the nazis to catch the resistance. Because the people just wanted to keep living, you cant blame that for that.
Also Russians are good at murdering the political elites. All possible rebels get killed. How much resistance there is against Putin? Not much, lol.

Back to current affairs.
Is Ukraine losing? Possibly, they still have far less artillery than Russia, even after what you say "we drain our ammunition".
Doesnt look nice to me, if we drained our ammunition yet Russians had fired much more. It means that Europe still doesnt consider military important.
If there isn't will, the time will do nothing. We are 3 years into the war and all our politicians did was talking.
Russians got more powerful? I dont think so, read this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/01/27/for-russian-forces-in-ukraine-its-now-normal-to-ride-into-battle-in-a-compact-car/
Humans are not Infinite for Russia either. And economy is not doing good either. On the other hand if Russia actually occupies Ukraine, they can use poor Ukrainians as a suicide squad to attack NATO countries.
Cease fire is more beneficial to Russia than to Ukraine. Ukraine needs to keep fighting until permanent peace is offered, or quickly run away west (before Russians capture them)

According to our friend here - m Russia is about to capture millions of Ukrainians and use them as slaves - those Ukrainians who are not fit for a rape or murder ofcourse.

Did I get that correctly?

Nope, but he is right in the sense that manpower can be used as an army. Right now, Ukraine are like the Khwarezmians who fucked around with Mongols.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Mar 6 2025 10:15am

Well, we need to start doing something. I don't believe relying on the orange man or on a very corrupt government in Kiev is a real option. Those are all temporary measures. You solve the problem by solving the problem, Europe needs its own army.

4th Reich

3rd times the charm I guess for a unified Europa army, Russia already destroyed the first and second.

This post was edited by El1te on Mar 6 2025 10:21am

The same thing could've been said, and was said, during the Cold War.

It's in America's interest to be the head of a global order, enforcing norms/rules and guarding against expansionism and war by malign actors like Russia and China. Americans are too fucking stupid to understand that these days, so it looks like maybe we're going to give up our power willingly, and if we do so, the Europeans will need to step up. But they won't, and the ramifications years and decades down the road will be enormous. But again, Americans are too stupid to understand that.

Some of the Ukrainians, those who quickly learn and loudly sign russian anthem and help the occupants maintain order, might have a little better life.
So that makes 5 groups of Ukrainians after Russia takes control:
- converted to rusism
- murdered
- raped
- cannon fodder to assault NATO countries
- heavy working for pennies, without option to move out aka slaves

My sincere advise to all Ukrainians is to flee west if Ukraine is about to capitulate to Russia.
Fight for your land if you wish, but if things go bad: run away

They are currently busy running away and fighting for their land while USA is about to depart them back and stop the aid.

/e

In Russia, there are millions of Ukrainians, including refugees. Why haven’t they been sent to concentration camps, raped, killed, or forced to invade Poland? It turns out that Russia, while attacking Ukraine, which was on the fast track to NATO, is simultaneously afraid of NATO and yet preparing to attack Europe shortly after the current war. So, is Russia weak or not?

This post was edited by Norlander on Mar 6 2025 10:28am