It depends on which Asian country you are a part of, tbh. If it's South Korea then hell no. If you're still in Hong Kong or Singapore as your profile indicates I wouldn't mind either of those, yeah. I could live with that. I'd rather stay here just because my home and family are here though.

80 years of post war American hegemony has made Europeans soft, dependent, and scared. Now they're acting like a scorned ex wife demanding more alimony or sth

Considering the huge deficits the US are running every year, they really depend on the rest of the world taking their dollars to keep the show running. So I actually don't think going fully isolationist/autarkic would be feasible for them.
This also isn't the Cold War era anymore, the balance of power has shifted since then.

In 1989, the Western European NATO members had a population of around 319m versus 390m for the countries of the Warsaw Pact. The Eastern bloc also had the massive upper hand in terms of tanks and soldiers stationed in Europe:


Subtract the American, Canadian and Turkish numbers and you get a massive skew in favor of the Warsaw Pact in Europe.
Back then, Western Europe would not have been able to defend itself against a full-scale invasion of the Warsaw Pact without US assistance.



Nowadays, Russia has a population of 146m while the EU plus the UK have a combined population of 500m. And despite massively slacking off and underinvesting into their militaries, they are still outspending Russia in terms of both nominal and PPP:






Even without the US coming to the rescue, Russia would still not have the manpower or the strength to invade Europe at large. The most they could take beyond Ukraine would be the Baltics.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 5 2025 09:51pm

What country are you claiming nationality in today?

Ok so EU is half bigger than Russia but the thing is that Russia is 1 country and EU is 28 different countries.
Good luck convince german people to fight for Warsaw or spanish people to fight for Berlin.
Russia also influences EU politics, their friends rule in Hungary and Slovakia, and are strong opposition in other countries.
Also the people in Europe are soft, when you go to NATO base in Europe you can see luxury cars, luxury life of NATO soldiers/workers. Are these people capable of long, years long heavy war in harsh conditions? Not sure about that. On the other hand Russians are used to having a shit life, so being on a frontline in Europe is just as bad as their regular life.

Do not underestimate Russians my friend, in 2022 we could read here that Ukraine is too big for Russia to conquer, yet the Russians didnt read it and kept the war going.

That's over three times bigger not 'half bigger' this is why nobody on this board can take anything you say seriously.
Its always obvious embellishments to the extreme with you.
Were you even alive when Poland was a part of the USSR?

This post was edited by PapaPsych on Mar 6 2025 02:33am

A German would have 0 problems fighting in Warsaw to defend Europe. After Poland it's Germany btw. Nope, Russia isn't interested in invading or occupying Europe. They don't have the manpower to make any use of Europe. They'll just be sitting ducks with more territory to defend from all sides. Russia might very well be interested in destabilizing Baltics just like the US does with South America. That's another story and we have to defend them. They are not Ukraine. They are part of Nato and the European union and they didn't stir any shit up with the US.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Mar 6 2025 02:43am

On the image provided non-usa NATO was half bigger than Russia.

We are 3 years since the big war in Europe started, yet we still fully depend on USA mercy, that are across the ocean on another continent, to defend us against Russians.
All we do is endless talking how we need to rebuild our militaries, there are no actions done behind it in Europe.
This is an insult to me, I don't want to have to beg Americans and to give them endless goldbags, because we cant care for ourselves in Europe.
In Europe we do excellent pretty clothes (France), excellent shoes (Italy), excellent jewelry (Belgium), so on paper our economy looks nice, but all these things dont matter when you need to fight a war.

I don't believe you because when people bring up PPP in terms of GDP on this board they get laughed at, you have to know this, why would PPP now all of a sudden king when describing sizes of NATO funding?
Ukraine is Eastern Europe, big difference, another big difference is they are not in NATO at all, literally not our problem, or Europe's problem but you insist on making it your personal problem.
Nobody in the USA wants World War 3 to start because of Poland starting problems and then pissing the bed when they are answered (Just like how world war 2 started with poland invading the danzig, and the UK's retarded defense pact)
It's a step by step process, Europe for a long time now has made the USA pay their way to defend themselves, then they gloat in Americans faces about shit like their free healthcare they can only afford because they don't have a Military Industrial Complex.

A soldier life costs you:
-1 mln euro (European)
-0,2 mln euro (Russia)
When these 2 face each other on the Battlefield, the 1 european overpaid soldier doesnt equal to 5 Russian soldiers.
So when it comes to war, you cant just compare euros spent by each side. So PPP makes more sense in this case.

We all know that NATO aint monolit. And people dont really want to risk their own lives, especially when their own life isn't at risk.
Baltics were under ussr occupation - a valid excuse to attack them and bring the "proper" status.
Germany and Poland were part of Russian Warsaw Pact, the name "Warsaw Pact" even comes from Polish capital, a valid excuse also. Germany had Hitler - another excuse for Russians to occupy them.
France? They had that Napoleon guy who tried to take over Russia.
The excuses to attack various NATO countries are ready to use.
Basically the plan is to take NATO countries one by one, while telling others "its not your war, please stand back, we wont attack you, we only dont like (insert nation) because (insert excuse)".

Now how does Ukraine help us: Ukraine while officially not in NATO, they are NATO candidate. They are willing to defend their homeland and stop the Russians. One million soldiers, more than any other European country can draft. Very stubborn nation also (unlike other europeans). All we need to do is to provide them with some money "loans", some ammunition and humanitarian aid. No need to spill any german/french/polish blood. This is a very cheap way to stop Russians. The best chance we have.
Also a proper thing to do, as Ukrainians gave away their nukes. If Ukraine falls to Russia, nobody in the future will ever give away their nukes. Helping Ukraine sends a message to other countries, that there are other ways to secure themselves than owning nukes.

And when we say about history, Poland built their own seaport Gdynia because Danzig community (more german than polish at that time) didnt really want us in Danzig.
So we built and used our own town for sea access.
So I don't know what you mean by polish assault on Danzig?