This is a poor argument, the measles vaccine is extremely effective in individuals but not 100%, however when taken en masse it all but prevents a pandemic. it's about 97% effective on an individual level, which by vaccine standards is about the highest class there is. it only runs into issues if measles spreads among a population where many people are entirely unvaccinated. its also not a vaccine that has very many serious side effects.

if we compare it to the covid vaccine it's night/day. cov19 vaccines provide almost zero protection from contracting the disease, have more serious side effects, and do nothing to prevent spread.

this is the reason this thread exist tbh, people are too ignorant about different types of vaccines. so whether it's measles and polio or cov19 and hepb they treat them the same. its like thinking morphine and ib profen are the same. that said a measles outbreak is neither uncommon nor a worrying pandemic, its just humorous to see people's reactions on both sides.

Read my post again.

If it's so effective, then let the people who want it to vaccinate and be safe and happy.

The unvaccinated won't be a problem for them. Because the vaccine protects the vaccinated ones, right?

This post was edited by kayko on Mar 4 2025 10:32am

His point was that MMRs are 97% effective. That means in a population of 350 Million (the US), even if 100% of the population is vaccinated, 3%, aka 10,500,000 would still be susceptible to infection.

Which is an interesting point. Perhaps it's time the US takes the measles more seriously, and refuses to allow any foreign national entrance onto US soil without proof of MMR vaccination. If they cannot provide the proof, then they need to get the vaccine before entry.

Damned foreigners putting over 10 million good, science-loving Americans at risk with their antivax selves is clearly unacceptable.

Edit: Public schools literally do not allow American children attend unless they provide proof of vaccination. However, children of foreign nationals are exempt from vaccination requirements in US Public schools.

Do you still think Americans are the risk factor?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 4 2025 10:39am

i read your post and responded to it directly. it provides about 97% effectiveness.

meaning if you have 100 people vaccinated and 1 unvaccinated, no real problem, it may jump a few times if it's lucky by die out quickly. 50 people vaccinated and 50 unvaccinated, problem, basically everyone could get it. that's how vaccines work, they build herd real immunity through individual near immunity.



precisely. and i agree all immigrants should be forced to get the jab. kids in schools likewise forced. its not an overly deadly disease, but of the 1% who die its almost all children. an epidemic in a small school of 300 kids could kill 3, not exactly innocuous in context.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 4 2025 10:41am

You're missing the entire point lmao. Misinformation has lead to moron parents who essentially let their children suffer from completely preventable diseases. It's just sad.

Conservatives seem to always talk about how they care about the well-being of children, how they're pro-life. But they do nothing to care about the quality of the life of those children when they are born. The entire worldview is twisted. We live in a country where we have the means, the technology and the wealth to prevent unnecessary disease and suffering of the most vulnerable people in our society. Whether that be children or the elderly.

Anti-vaxxers are against all of that. They may not outright admit it but that's what their ideology leads to. They are selfish and/or ignorant.

And in the cases where the unvaccinated children are safe from these diseases it's entirely because of the choice made by those who actually had their children vaccinated. But why should we even take the chance? We already know many of these vaccines work and their risks are greatly outweighed by the reward.

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The US kids, or rather their parents are already forced. The only way to bypass vaccination requirements is homeschooling or finding a private school that doesn't also enforce vaccine requirements. When it comes to the MMR, I don't know of many private schools that don't require it.

The fact that foreign children are exempt from what is mandated against US Citizens is completely insane, and NOBODY can provide a valid reason why that's how it is. US Citizens quite literally pay for those schools with our property tax dollars. Don't own property? You still pay rent, and your rent goes up with every increase to property taxes. Property taxes literally exist to pay for public schools.

Yet your kids can't attend public school AT ALL if they do not get their MMRs.

Foreign children? Exempt. It's wild how we treat foreigners, especially the illegal kind, with so much reverence that we're willing to put over ten million of our own citizens, including our own children at risk to cater to them.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 4 2025 10:47am

It isn't reverence in fact it's the opposite. If we did care we would impose the same standards. But to save money and hopefully 'deter' these children from going to school. It's an easy way to ostracize and already ostracized and vulnerable minority.

It also has the effect of making an argument against "illegals" and "foreigners" posing a risk. So racists like you all can say look how dangerous illegals are.

It doesn't have to be this way. The people in power just like it this way.

You want to force people to take the medicine, even though you admit it won't even always work. And any potential side effects are on them.

Aaaand... you have to believe in the 97% effectiveness, even though it's the same people who told you that covid vaccines are safe and effective.

What if somebody doesn't believe this number, because he thinks there is too much big pharma corruption (which there is)? Or thinks there might be some side effects because of specific other illness he might have? Or if he just doesn't want you to inject a foreign substance into his body because it's his body and his choice?

Btw. I am not against vaccines (well, the normal ones anyway). I just don't think people should be forced to take them.

This post was edited by kayko on Mar 4 2025 10:55am