Quote (naais @ Mar 3 2025 10:04am)

I struggled to find good guides for this, but this is by far the best one

https://youtu.be/o2xg2HNUxjo?si=CS0J57xmOYQd8lPL


Vita build that uses oak, and shows diff setups for vsing diff classes


Dont make the mistake of using ES on a blizz sorc. Its the worst way to build blizz for pvp (none of the es builds use oak either, which is the strongest defensive skill for pvp)

Quote (naais @ Mar 3 2025 12:38pm)

The build i linked has swaps for maxblock, maxlife, max dmg. none of the versions go below 13k dmg but anyways.


If u really enjoy ES blizz, i would go
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=55990969&f=87



But playing vs hdin/nec with no frw or oak is doomed. Feel free to link the full build and not just stats u reached in theory btw :P



in lod i played the ES sorc linked above, but after talking to better sorcs, i got the understanding that blizz vita > other versions.

Quote (gel87 @ Mar 3 2025 01:32pm)

It was real build:
Bug Tal: 5/5 facet
Bug belt
Bug atma's boots
Bug Snatchi steelclash gloves / frosts

Full precast

Quote (naais @ Mar 3 2025 01:36pm)

4 bugged items that are removed from the game, full precast from stash.
Thats whats required to reach the stats u mentioned.
Kind of disingenuous to say that ES is the best version when u need cheat engine items and a full inventory replacement everytime u BO.

This is not avalible in d2r

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A blizz with more regular items should focus on nb, reach 4,5k-5k mana, 10-11k damage, 105fcr etc...
Ur life will easy be 1,3-1,6k anyway.

Quote (naais @ Mar 3 2025 02:48pm)

Fair point!

I like the enigma build u linked. Still pref vita for oak + 4k more dmg, but thats just preferance! <3

Quote (gel87 @ Mar 3 2025 08:28am)

His SOP displayed in video you attached is "cheat engine item" as well ;)

Anyway:
2/20/30/mana/2soc 5/-5 + cham
DF 5/-5 + spirit
Enigma or COH if you value resists more than frw.
30frw/10fhr/plr or fr/5max mana/5x mana boots
2sorc/10fcr/str/@/mana (can have plr as well) ammu
Frosts
arach
2 sojs

That should grand you the stats i wrote in my first post about es.


Here is an enigma build, 9,5k blizz and 5,1k mana:
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/i13nl0ej

Here is an coh build 9,5k blizz and almost 5k mana:
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/h13np0ns

Yes full precast, but still takes longer time to swap item for every different class you going to fight as an vita build.
In eu NL sorc was allowed to precast, but a full es sorc is not allowed to use oak. And you dont need oak.

As a fire sorc you are way more free thought to balance with DR and PLR and RES and can bm with oak if u want in pubs.

Quote (gel87 @ Mar 3 2025 05:28am)

His SOP displayed in video you attached is "cheat engine item" as well ;)

Anyway:
2/20/30/mana/2soc 5/-5 + cham
DF 5/-5 + spirit
Enigma or COH if you value resists more than frw.
30frw/10fhr/plr or fr/5max mana/5x mana boots
2sorc/10fcr/str/@/mana (can have plr as well) ammu
Frosts
arach
2 sojs

That should grand you the stats i wrote in my first post about es.


Here is an enigma build, 9,5k blizz and 5,1k mana:
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/i13nl0ej

Here is an coh build 9,5k blizz and almost 5k mana:
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/h13np0ns

Yes full precast, but still takes longer time to swap item for every different class you going to fight as an vita build.
In eu NL sorc was allowed to precast, but a full es sorc is not allowed to use oak. And you dont need oak.

As a fire sorc you are way more free thought to balance with DR and PLR and RES and can bm with oak if u want in pubs.

Quote (L8z. @ Mar 4 2025 06:13am)

How would you build an esfb sorc? on maxroll

Quote (gel87 @ Jul 25 2024 12:20pm)

Here is my take, gm, strong, with MB and NB swaps:
95 % ES precast.

Max Block setup, blaze for relevant frw, high psn resistance/plr, 105fcr/60fhr/75% block/4,9k mana/18k fireball dmg:
Can swap ammu + belt for dungo setup wiht more DR, or strings for added MDR.
Can swap gloves to death gloves for better anti psn, can also use snakecord etc if want.
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/os1if0m2

Only 3 items you swap between NB and MB is:
Spirit - Upped Whistans
Coh - Viper
Diadem - other diadem
1 or 2 fire life - Fire FHR
Arach - Dungo/Strings

NB setup, more of the good stuff:
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/s7na0sdl

Quote (gel87 @ Jan 17 2025 11:32am)

Ur way of building sorc is the reason why i could easy take down barb boed fire sorcs with my blizz on d2pk. I would never break their 9-12k mana. But i would kill their HP.

My blizz had -275 enemy CR. And enemies has -100 res in hell.
So enemies would need 375 resists to have 0 resists and 450 to have 75resists.

Anyway lets make it easy. FB vs FB.
If you have 30 fire res, and 95 ES, enemy has 22k fb damage.
22000 * 0,17 * 0,05 * (1-(30/100)) = 130 life lost

If u have 75 fire res:
22000 * 0,17 * 0,05 * (1-(75/100)) = 46 life lost

This is assuming you have 95 es.
What does 95 es costs you?
If rules are no precast, then that costs you inzane ammounts of damage. Several thousand damage lost.

So lets say your a 83% es cube precast. You lost zero damage by wasting points.

30 fire res:
22000 * 0,17 * 0,27 * (1-(30/100)) = 706 life lost

75 fire res:
22000 * 0,17 * 0,27 * 0,25 = 252 life lost

Well, this 83 es also makes you loose less mana each hit. You kinda balance out a little more.

Lets say you have 1500 life and 5000mana.
The damage reduction vs mana with 20tk base is 0.75.

So each fb will take:
22000 * 0,17 * 0,75 = 2805 mana lost if you had 100% ES which is not possible.

22000 * 0,17 * 0,75 * 0,95 = 2664
22000 * 0,17 * 0,75 * 0,83 = 2328

So, as you can see. There are ways of utulising ES and not have 95% es. And if your other stats are high you can balance it for more tankyness. Ofc this would reduce defwhore survivability.
Not all attacks deal 22000, a physical attack can deal everything between 1k and 30k damage. And you can make a balanced build which survives a lot.

So adding DR%, RES%, PLR% and repl to your build, and not precast ES to 95 will allow you to get maximum tankyness, damage etc. And both mana and life can repl quite fast...

There is quite a lot difference between a low damage "immortal sorc" and a high damage "tanky sorc".

DR% helps vs Crushing blow and direct physical damage. Crushing blow will directly impact ur HP.
% res will help reduce the part of the damage mana dont absorb.
PLR and PR% will help reduce damage from mana
Repl will make sure your life and mana repl up again quite fast.

You can even bring in absorb. There is no point in having 5,5k mana vs a blizz, in this case changing a soj to a raven would help.

But there are loads of rules.
Back in eu d2lod the rules was:
95% ES sorc: Zero abs allowed(except NW) and +5max res as a maximum.
Meanwhile there was other rules for low ES sorcs. Like base lvl and no precast es.
Precast es was also allowed on eu nl back in d2lod.
ES sorc was not allowed to use oak.

So yes, if your going GM you have to build according to current rules.
If you do pubs, there are ways of balancing better.

Fire sorc is the excellent build for such. You can have 1 main strong gear, and you can have swaps for better PLR/PR, better damage or even max block.
But extreame ammulets and diadems would be required to opimalize it for best possible combies and least ammount of wasted stats in having different setups.