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Feb 28 2025 08:37am
Mimimi, CDU and AfD gained more than 50% of the votes because they promised to address the migration problems, economy and the security in inland.


Mimimi the democratic competition is unfair and systematically excludes the AfD.

It is nothing new for the AfD and its sympathisers to accuse the current party system of being populated by parties that collude for their own benefit and ignore the "true" interests of the people.
This tactic was already used in 2019 by far-right politician Björn Höcke in the run-up to the state elections in Thüringen. He repeatedly denounced the system of ‘cartel parties’ and saw himself as the victim of unfair competition. He is not stupid, this is of course done out of political calculation, so that the AfD can be staged as a fundamentally oppositional party and it appears legitimate to ‘tear down’ the firewall.

The real reason why the AfD is excluded from the other parties is because of the intensity of nationalism within the party.
In terms of content, they have moved closer to the AfD's position on migration issues, extensive relief for upper income groups/companies, massive dismantling of the welfare state, raising the retirement age and drastically tightening sanctions for the unemployed.

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Feb 28 2025 07:54pm
Entschuldigen Sie bitte im Voraus für mein schlechtes Deutsch. Ich interessiere mich für die politische Situation in Deutschland und die Wahrnehmung der Partei AfD. Gibt es Ihrer Meinung nach einen Zusammenhang zwischen der Ablehnung der AfD und der deutschen Vergangenheit, insbesondere im Hinblick auf die Entnazifizierung und die Sorge vor einem neuen Aufstieg populistischer Bewegungen, die an Hitler erinnern könnten?


Of course invoking the dark, shameful nazi history is a more potent tactic in Germany than pretty much any other place. Lots of voters are reflexively hesitant to vote for anyone or anything labeled "right-wing". Politically, Western Germany is an outlier in Europe in that the populist-nationalist right has systematically found less success than in Eastern Germany or any of the neighboring countries. The equivalent parties in France, Italy, Austria, Poland, Sweden, Netherlands etc. have all had results in the 20-40% range and are decades-old, established parts of their countries' political spectrum. By contrast, the AfD had failed to get above 15%, and often times polled even below 10% in Western Germany until very recently, roughly 2022/23. Even with last Sunday's federal election result, the AfD is still polling weaker than its sister parties in other European countries.


It is notable that Eastern Germany is more in line with the European norm in this regard. They didn't have as many "denazification" efforts post-war, weren't subject to decades of teachings about the horrors of 1933-45 in school, at least not with the same intensity as in Western German schools, which often times reaches the level of an outright guilt trip. In the West, you got older generations of voters who have voted for the CDU or SPD for literally their entire life, you don't have these "ironclad, habitual voters of establishment parties" in the East where party loyalty is generally lower. And of course you have far less wealth and more decline in Eastern Germany, and thus fewer voters with "something to lose". The worse off people are, the less attached to the status quo they are and the more willing to vote for disruption.


Speaking of the older generations and habitual voters: the old establishment parties CDU and SPD have a massively aging base votership while the AfD is doing about similarly with voters aged 18 through 60 (20-25%), but only polls at around 10% with pensioners (age 70+). Demographics alone will lift up the AfD in the coming years, at the expense of the self-stylized parties of "the democratic middle".

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The German Government has set up a new advisory office aimed at supporting those affected by conspiracy narratives, misinformation and disinformation.

Announced in Berlin on February 27, the Advisory Compass Conspiracy Thinking initiative was backed by the Federal Ministry of Family Affairs and the Interior Ministry.

Outgoing interior minister Nancy Faeser of the Social Democratic Party (SDP) warned that conspiracy narratives were “deliberately spread to divide society and erode trust in independent science, free media, and democratic institutions”.

While acknowledging that free debate was essential in a democracy, she argued such narratives “can fuel extremist ideologies and incite criminal or violent acts, with antisemitic conspiracy theories being particularly widespread”.
https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/02/german-government-launches-initiative-to-target-conspiracy-thinking/

If Germany had more rednecks, this tomfoolery would never have taken root.


Let em' cook
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Mimimi the democratic competition is unfair and systematically excludes the AfD.

It is nothing new for the AfD and its sympathisers to accuse the current party system of being populated by parties that collude for their own benefit and ignore the "true" interests of the people.
This tactic was already used in 2019 by far-right politician Björn Höcke in the run-up to the state elections in Thüringen. He repeatedly denounced the system of ‘cartel parties’ and saw himself as the victim of unfair competition. He is not stupid, this is of course done out of political calculation, so that the AfD can be staged as a fundamentally oppositional party and it appears legitimate to ‘tear down’ the firewall.

The real reason why the AfD is excluded from the other parties is because of the intensity of nationalism within the party.
In terms of content, they have moved closer to the AfD's position on migration issues, extensive relief for upper income groups/companies, massive dismantling of the welfare state, raising the retirement age and drastically tightening sanctions for the unemployed.


I'm curious about your signature. You're a German who is passionate about animal welfare, but you don't like the Nazis? This is logically incongruent
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Feb 28 2025 08:52pm
I'm curious about your signature. You're a German who is passionate about animal welfare, but you don't like the Nazis? This is logically incongruent


Nazis are worse than animals may be :)
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Nazis are worse than animals may be :)


They say we can judge a society on how they treat Animals, Nazi Germany was the only country to ban testing on Animals.
And had the UK not started the war for Poland, Hitler had plans to force the German people to become vegetarians.
Meanwhile we can just look at how the Israelis treated the Palestinians for the last 78 years, much like how they treat chickens in Brooklyn.

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They say we can judge a society on how they treat Animals, Nazi Germany was the only country to ban testing on Animals.
And had the UK not started the war for Poland, Hitler had plans to force the German people to become vegetarians.
Meanwhile we can just look at how the Israelis treated the Palestinians for the last 78 years, much like how they treat chickens in Brooklyn.


Why test on animals when there are so many unnecessary people? It's just inefficient. :)
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Sizable crowd shows up to protest in Romania recently.

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🚨🇷🇴ROMANIA STANDS UP—THE GEORGESCU MOVEMENT GROWS

Protests in Romania are entering a new phase as citizens push back against what they call a political crackdown on democracy

Demonstrators are demanding Calin Georgescu’s reinstatement in the election

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https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1895833352852164862?s=46

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 1 2025 10:43am
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Sizable crowd shows up to protest in Romania recently.



https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1895833352852164862?s=46


Yeah, Amazing how 'Defending Democracy' works.
Some non neoliberal world order candidate wins the election and the results are nullified.
Then the winner is arrested on trumped up charges.
Take that Putler!

This post was edited by PapaPsych on Mar 1 2025 11:03am
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Sizable crowd shows up to protest in Romania recently.



https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1895833352852164862?s=46


They have to be really afraid, those are real protestors, not the paid ones (look at Serbia).
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