Actually horrendous cast speed

its the second best breakpoint. using beast and without using spirit, youre not getting any better. lol this game is all about compromises.

its also 10 frames. you sure you know what horrendous means?

This post was edited by C4NTWO on Feb 28 2025 07:53am

At 75fcr with beast, you have a super buffed 72k dps merc, you still have to wait a bit for him to get the kill before casting CE.
Paired with amp, conviction, FF and facet it’s enough to 1 hit kill the whole screen on p1 to p3.

At 125fcr, you have to wait longer before you can cast it.
Its fun on paper, sure. But casting nothing faster is useless.
125fcr builds are much slower.

It’s a build purely dedicated to high density clearing.
Not a build made to tele long distances to go kill a boss or to rush.
You take wp to the current TZ and you start farming right away.
Amp -> telestomp -> merc gets a kill nearly instantly -> CE
Move to next pack.
30 frames per screen cleared.

This post was edited by SinsOfTheSun on Feb 28 2025 08:02am

How about Beast + 125 FCR



How is there comprise when you can have the best possible.

This post was edited by Tarisus on Feb 28 2025 08:06am

You lose FF
21% of your total dps
Your merc lose 40% ed
Your summons/IG are now way more likely to die

125fcr saves you 1 frame between amp and telestomp
But you lose time on merc kill speed and are very likely gonna need 2 CE casts instead of 1.
Based on my stats that compared 8 different builds over a 1,000 runs each, any variation of 125fcr didn’t make the top 3 for overall clear speed time before ng.

I’m not an online botter.
But I’m deeply interested in finding out the very optimal builds out there. Whenever I’m afk, I let bots run in SP to compile stats.
Very fair comparisons without any room for human mistakes.

This post was edited by SinsOfTheSun on Feb 28 2025 08:14am

The game is very noobish without your characters max cast frames. Why settle for 75 fcr

FF isn’t required or much useful. 21% total DPS? You can still wear Beast with max FCR.

A
2/20 with 2 sockets adds more DPS than FF.

This post was edited by Tarisus on Feb 28 2025 08:16am

Like I already explained earlier :

Fire immunes are the most prevalent, and they tend to be the tankiest mobs.
Almost all fire immunities are not broken by infinity.
Without FF its useless to use a fire sunder.
You end up doing only half your CE dmg vs all the most tanky problematic mobs.
If however you use FF (and look! A facet in shield!) those sundered mobs are now down to 58% fire res -> that’s a 21% total phys/fire dmg increase to a skill that is 95%+ of your total dmg output.

Nope
Its -1 CE and 5 less fire pen
+% fire dmg doesnt work.

The aura is a huge bonus cuz your summons don’t have max res cap. Fireis the only thing that normally kills them.
Your IG is now immune to 3 elements.
Your merc can use a 40/15 instead of a 30fireres/15

You get +10% fire and -10% fire. Fire immunes can be taken care of by using Amplified Damage instead of lower resistance. Physical Sunders grant 100% effectiveness for Amplified Damage.

The reality is that it doesn’t slow you down fire immunes or not. Most problematic comes from the fact that CE scales terribly into higher player counts.


Elemental damage typically doesn’t kill summons. The only time summons die is because of life tap bug. Did you test the fire mastery from Trang oul for CE?

This post was edited by Tarisus on Feb 28 2025 08:26am