Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 27 2025 12:04am)

When they said "Trump is a threat to democracy", what they actually meant was "threat to (D)emocracy", as in "the rule of Democrats".


Same shitty rhetoric in my country, where left-wing parties constantly harp on about how "democratic parties need to band together and cooperate". There's clearly nothing more democratic than trying to ostracized and completely neuter the political representation of more than a fifth of the electorate.

Quote (Gott @ Feb 27 2025 08:35am)

However, almost four-fifths of the population in Germany voted in favour of parties that had already ruled out cooperation with a party that is classified by the German security authorities as "partially far-right extremist" before the election.
8O% >>>>>20%

Quote (babun1024 @ Feb 28 2025 10:55am)

You've missed the point. The election was one with the highest participation rate. Government parties lost the majourity, less than 50%. People in Germany want a change, not a "weiter so". Either SPD commits to real changes from the current "weiter so" status quo or they should get the fuck out with their Brandmauer. CDU engaging in any kind of foul compromises against the will of their voters is antidemocratic.

Quote (Gott @ 28 Feb 2025 12:40)

Nothing in your text refutes my statement. It may be that people want change, but the vast majority do not want changes made by the AfD.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 28 Feb 2025 14:51)

You just inadvertently summed up the conundrum of German politics: many of the central policy demands of the AfD enjoy majority support, but voters don't want these policies to be enacted by the AfD. On the flip side, the CDU would love to win back voters who defected to the AfD, but these voters don't trust the CDU's words anymore, the only way to win them back is through tangible action - but the only way for the CDU to produce these tangible results would require them to cooperate with the AfD. Any time the CDU instead forms a coalition with the SPD or Greens, their credibility with former-CDU-now-AfD voters decreases even further.

At some point, something has to give in German politics. But we're not there yet.

Quote (Gott @ Feb 28 2025 12:40pm)

Nothing in your text refutes my statement. It may be that people want change, but the vast majority do not want changes made by the AfD.

Quote (Norlander @ Feb 28 2025 01:02pm)

Entschuldigen Sie bitte im Voraus für mein schlechtes Deutsch. Ich interessiere mich für die politische Situation in Deutschland und die Wahrnehmung der Partei AfD. Gibt es Ihrer Meinung nach einen Zusammenhang zwischen der Ablehnung der AfD und der deutschen Vergangenheit, insbesondere im Hinblick auf die Entnazifizierung und die Sorge vor einem neuen Aufstieg populistischer Bewegungen, die an Hitler erinnern könnten?

Quote (babun1024 @ 28 Feb 2025 15:43)

About AfD: They've got a far right wing similar to rednecks in the Republican party. You can't take them seriously until they totally distance themselves from them, however they need those far right merchants to get voters to vote for them in east Germany. East Germany has got really run down, poor regions abandoned by the state where every able person flees to the west and dumb/old people who remain are easy prey for the extreme left and extreme right. Coincidentally, AfD and die Linke are most popular there.
Yes, partly due to the history and partly due to the extreme right wing in the AfD, most German including me don't want them to represent Germany.

But, the issues that brought them 20% of votes and made CDU win is of concern to the majourity of the population in Germany: security in inland, uncontrolled migration, crumbling economy. SPD acts as if there is no migration problem (not kidding), especially the dumb fuck Esken. Instead of a proper restructuring (SPD had the most voter losses), Lars Klingbeil made himself the chief :lol: No regards to the base SPD voters.

Friedrich Merz wants a coalition with the SPD but he doesn't want to betray his voters. They lost last time by ignoring those issues like SPD. This time around, they've got the mandate with the promise to deal with those problems. He completely ignores Esken because she is from the far left wing of the SPD. There is no common ground for a coalition with her in any function. She should just resign. They organize demos or try to change public opinion USaid style by NGOs paid with taxpayer money :lol: The newest example is "Omas gegen rechts". I have an understanding for an NGO engaging in environmental conservation, research, imporving education etc. with taxpayer money but absolutely against weaponizing NGOs against political adversaries in inland. Merz asked about politically engaged NGO's financing (he wants to get rid of those NGOs). Lars Klingbeil, the current self-proclaimed chief of SPD whose wife is one of CEOs of those NGOs is against those reforms. And that's HIS condition (not the voters) to enter any type of coalition talks :lol:
Fuck the current SPD full of lunatics. Willy Brandt would turn in his grave multiple times if he knew what has become of his party.

Quote (Norlander @ Feb 28 2025 02:05pm)

Eine gefährliche Tendenz ist es, entwickelnde oder rückständige Regionen den Populisten zu überlassen. Besonders im Lichte des Beispiels der Ukraine.