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Feb 22 2025 03:57am
Which treaty is this?

Iirc the only agreement that was broken was assurances given by russia that ukraine could be independent if it gave up its nukes which it did

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While all these weapons were located on Ukrainian territory, they were not under Ukraine's control.[4] In 1994, Ukraine agreed to transfer these weapons to Russia for dismantlement and became a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, in exchange for economic compensation and assurances from Russia, the United States and United Kingdom to respect the Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[5][6] Years later, Russia, one of the parties to the agreement, invaded Ukraine.


Same bogus you cited, first broken by The United States, then Ukraine, now everyone points their finger when Russia decides not to be the bag holder
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Feb 22 2025 04:02am
Specifically that russia has always demanded that Ukraine does not join nato


That is not a treaty, the only country that broke a treaty was russia.
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Feb 22 2025 04:17am
That is not a treaty, the only country that broke a treaty was russia.


USA broke part 2, then Ukraine Broke sub parts 2,7,8 of Part 1 and Part 2, then Russia concluded it was worthless paper.
"But Russia must of been the only one to Violate it because Stephan Colbert said so!"

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Feb 22 2025 12:21pm
USA broke part 2, then Ukraine Broke sub parts 2,7,8 of Part 1 and Part 2, then Russia concluded it was worthless paper.
"But Russia must of been the only one to Violate it because Stephan Colbert said so!"


Stop lying.
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Feb 22 2025 04:48pm
The Ukraine War started in 2014. First a violent revolution by western nationalists in february, and two months later the warfare and shelling began in earnest with the siege of sloviansk being the first organized military action between the western UA forces and the DPR, with about 50 killed on both sides. The proximate spark of the war was very obviously the revolution that overthrew the democracy, making the ukrainian ultranationalists the aggressors who upset the peaceful status quo ante. The war in the Donbas raged for 8 years with back and forth shelling and proxy involvement of both Russia and US/EU forces on the ground- Russia's little green men in the DPR/LPR being matched by the CIA in Kiev. And then Russia launched a full direct invasion in 2022.

Any other recent history lessons to clear up?
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Feb 22 2025 05:01pm
The Ukraine War started in 2014. First a violent revolution by western nationalists in february, and two months later the warfare and shelling began in earnest with the siege of sloviansk being the first organized military action between the western UA forces and the DPR, with about 50 killed on both sides. The proximate spark of the war was very obviously the revolution that overthrew the democracy, making the ukrainian ultranationalists the aggressors who upset the peaceful status quo ante. The war in the Donbas raged for 8 years with back and forth shelling and proxy involvement of both Russia and US/EU forces on the ground- Russia's little green men in the DPR/LPR being matched by the CIA in Kiev. And then Russia launched a full direct invasion in 2022.

Any other recent history lessons to clear up?


I think I have said this before and I will say it again.

Now please note I am not particularly referring to anyone in this thread.

If political indoctrination can convince someone that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man.
A man can dress up like a woman with a full beard and wearing a hello kitty mini skirt and he can still read stories to little kids and convinced them that it is ok to go for transition.

How else would people with a brainwashed doctrine washing down their minds day in day out with the legacy media stuffing them with information and them holding on to their cellphones reading social media react?
Bear in mind social media have algorithms that direct you to the things you want to hear, and with government intervention and propaganda, over a period of time they are pretty much gone.

No one will recognize history and no one will agree with what is right and what is wrong. That is how the world works.
Debating or arguing in forums , at times is fruitless and pointless. You have been here long enough. :lol:

I remember we are taught this in primary school when we write essays and do compositions. It is a very basic theory.

Who, What, When, Why, How.

Using the above, one should seek the truth with it and go down the rabbit hole. That being said, people are convinced that the above theory only happened in 2022 in regards with the Russia / Ukraine Conflict.

So let's sit back and eat some popcorn, and watch them Reeeeeee.. :rofl:

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Feb 22 2025 06:34pm
Trump has been consistent for a few months now. He believes Zelensky should have cut a deal with Putin prior to the war, or in its immediate aftermath. Zelensky did not, ergo, Trump concludes Zelensky is at least partly to blame. Zelensky's job is to maximize Ukrainian interests, he's facing a worse deal now than he could have had pre-war or in 2022, it's clear he failed.

There aren't going to be territory swaps, Ukraine will unilaterally cede land to Russia. Ukraine will not join NATO, and future assistance will need to be paid back. Putin wont be in the Hague, and if Zelensky refuses to all of the above he'll end up overseeing the destruction of Ukraine as a national state.


There's a funny thing Trump cultists do, where they describe reality(as they see it) without giving their own opinion.

Why would the president of Ukraine just give away land to Russia? Are you fucking high?
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Feb 22 2025 07:29pm
There's a funny thing Trump cultists do, where they describe reality(as they see it) without giving their own opinion.

Why would the president of Ukraine just give away land to Russia? Are you fucking high?


They all just tell us trumps opinion, they have none of their own.
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Feb 22 2025 08:13pm
The Ukraine War started in 2014. First a violent revolution by western nationalists in february, and two months later the warfare and shelling began in earnest with the siege of sloviansk being the first organized military action between the western UA forces and the DPR, with about 50 killed on both sides. The proximate spark of the war was very obviously the revolution that overthrew the democracy, making the ukrainian ultranationalists the aggressors who upset the peaceful status quo ante. The war in the Donbas raged for 8 years with back and forth shelling and proxy involvement of both Russia and US/EU forces on the ground- Russia's little green men in the DPR/LPR being matched by the CIA in Kiev. And then Russia launched a full direct invasion in 2022.

Any other recent history lessons to clear up?


Leftists, woke lite, and old regimers: "lalala I can't hear you"

This post was edited by El1te on Feb 22 2025 08:14pm
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