are you not a libertarian? I get the global politics aspect of russia not being fond of nato creeping up on it's border but either you believe sovereign countries have a right to determine their own fate or all militarily weaker countries should accept their fate of being gobbled up by more powerful neighbours and becoming vassal states like belarus

watched your vid

That's Immaterial to the argument you are disagreeing with.
Even if it did have merit in this situation Ukraine joining NATO is not self determination, unless that 'self actualization of Ukraine' was to force Russia to invade at all costs.


Time wasted GG

This post was edited by PapaPsych on Feb 21 2025 05:44pm

What if you believe that sovereign nations have the right to determine their own fate AND you understand that the Donbas Republics were sovereign, they declared independence during the Maidan Revolution, and they were never under control of Ukraine, hence why Asov spent 8 years genociding ethnic Russians in the Donbas attempting to bring them in line before Russia answered the call for military aid, as well as the request for protectorate status/annexation from those republics?

Guess it's all based on perspective. The overwhelming majority of the population of the Donbas Republics were ethnic Russians, and wanted nothing to do with Kiev after the Maidan Revolution. If you're a libertarian, don't those people have the right to choose their own government?

Anything any media in US says about the Russia/Ukraine war will be taken as fake. Nobody knows why the war started and nobody will know. Some random US clowns acting like they know are just modern day Pravda.

Do you think there's a high chance the war started cause NATO wanted Ukraine to join them? I'd imagine having my enemy moving closer and closer onto my borders would have me take steps to stop this. I do not want US imperialism, our culture has gone down the shitter and the less we spread it the better.

This thread just goes to show conservatives are gullible hacks who just buy whatever narrative they are sold, you people have been telling us russia is the enemy for 60 years.

I could repeat what the Russians stated their goals were. But it doesn't really matter, you won't believe anything that comes from Russia. I could state what the Biden Administration and MSM claimed Russia's goals were, but I don't trust their claims. In the end? I neither know or care why the war started. It's not my war and the US isn't impacted and should never have been involved.

I just want to stop sending money and weapons to Ukraine. If they want weapons, they can pay for them like anyone else. If they want money, they can sell us rare earths or crude oil. Like anyone else.

And I want US sanctions against Russia lifted, so the damage we've done to our own economy cutting off Russian supplies can start to be rectified.

The US has gained nothing from this war, should never have been involved, Biden and his cronies just used it as a money laundering scam. If Europe wants to go to war against Russia? Good luck. You can go it alone. Not our problem.



Russia has NEVER been a US enemy. They have ALWAYS been a trade partner. Were they an adversary under the USSR? Sure. An Adversary we traded with and never went to active war against. Proxy wars were never conducted on their immediate border either. And even when we set them up to fight endlessly in Afghanistan, we were not equipping or funding the mujahadeen. Instead, we trained their leaders, then set them lose. That sort of came back to bite us. Remember 9/11?

Dunno who you think was claiming Russia was the enemy. It wasn't Conservatives. It wasn't even Democrats in the US. Not until Trump took office. All the way up through the Obama Administration Russia was a valued trade partner. The "Russia is our Enemy" shit didn't start until Trump's first term and the hoax, DNC-paid dossier. Though most of the thinktanks during the 2016 election were predicting that if Clinton won, an excuse to start the war would arise, using Ukraine as a proxy. It was the entire purpose for the US orchestrating the Maidan Revolution, and Biden getting in thick with Ukrainian oil companies in the first place.

But hey, what would I know?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 21 2025 06:17pm

Political affiliations should never override common sense. When they do it’s morally corrupt whether you are seeing red, white, blue, gold, green, purple or rainbow.

War woulda been over long ago if US didn't instigate it and continue to provide Ukraine with resources. Taxes are the problem. We the people should get to vote on where our money goes. These pathetic old f words in our government are 1 foot in the grave and they're trying to take us all with them.