That has to be the most stupid post you've made so far.

I don't need to "believe" in anything. The theories of evolution and relativity both have observable effects. The theories were created THROUGH observation of the natural world.

There has been zero observation of any sex other than male and female in mammals except aberrations that're sterile. The very fact that you bring up the theory of evolution in regards to such cases is hilarious.

You cannot find one single case of anything other than a male or a female breeding. Not a single case of a "hermaphrodite" breeding. And as a point in fact, hermaphrodites are so excessively rare, you've never met one and probably never will. According to the NIH, "The true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%". All are born sterile. None breed.

We are not going to evolve ourselves into a third sex. Don't worry. Because every aberration that is born dies without progeny.

https://www.cabidigitallibrary.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/20063028241

This is flat out wrong. We have plenty of studies to suggest otherwise. Here's one for you in mammals.

Also you flat out admit there are aberrations and intersex/hermaphrodites. Also intersex people have and can breed.. this is literal fact. Can you give me a source here?

We've even found potential evidence of autofertility.

https://doi.org/10.1080/14767058.2017.1291619

Natural intersex/Hermaphrodites can not breed. There's zero evidence that they can do so. Your first link is behind a paywall. I'm not paying, so you'll need to find another source.

Your second source indicates zero cases of human intersex have bred or auto-bred. None. Zero. It indicates a small number of rabbits have managed it. When I cross reference it with the NIH, only one case appears.

Which is a positive for you. 1 case of a domestic rabbit was verified. It had fully developed ovaries and under-developed testes. It was a case, the ONLY case, from 1990. Claims have been made from other cases, but none were verified.

The rabbit in question was genetically modified, as were it's parent rabbits, and their parent rabbits. And they weren't able to duplicate the effect. And none of it's offspring were born with the aberration.

Seems evolution is not on your side.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 21 2025 05:06pm

thanks for the tip, time to explore a new pron genre

I posted DOI links with sources of cases of actual intersex people who were pregnant and successfully birthed a child.

JOURNAL OF NIPPON MEDICAL SCHOOL
Volume90Issue2Page240-244
DOI10.1272/jnms.JNMS.2023_90-202

On the basis of postoperative histopathological findings, a 29-year-old nulliparous woman was diagnosed as having ovotesticular disorder of sex development (DSD). She had undergone unilateral gonadectomy at age 6 years and vulvoplasty and vaginoplasty at age 8 years. Her karyotype was 46, XX. She had dyspareunia because of a narrow vagina, but her uterus and left gonad were normal. Spontaneous ovulation was confirmed, but sexual intercourse was impossible because of dyspareunia, despite vaginal self-dilatation with a vaginal dilator. Artificial insemination was initiated; however, five cycles failed to yield a viable pregnancy. We decided to perform in vitro fertilization (IVF), which resulted in conception. During IVF we administered intravenous anesthesia before oocyte collection to reduce her distress due to insufficient lumen expansion after vaginoplasty. The patient delivered a healthy male infant weighing 2,558 g at 37 weeks of gestation via cesarean section, which was performed because of gestational hypertension. This is the eighth report of a viable neonate born from a patient with ovotesticular DSD after gonadectomy and the first such pregnancy achieved by IVF. Therefore, IVF may be an effective option for infertile patients with ovotesticular DSD. Additionally, to prevent dyspareunia, self-management of the plastic vagina is important during the peri- and postoperative periods of early vaginoplasty. (J Nippon Med Sch 2023; 90: 240?244)

tl;dr:

Woman born with both male and female sex organs (ie true hermaphrodite) had a baby.

This post was edited by uskittles on Feb 21 2025 05:25pm

That's good, I don't believe hard left is entirely social either.

It's not presently possible in Canada. It was about 50 years ago, not today. We've been entirely hollowed out and overtaxed, while we have failed to address the creeping parasitism over the decades. We now have a nigh-intractable Indian problem. If people need something done, they fly to the US or Mexico to pay out of pocket because our Healthcare system is garbage. Like I said, it only works if parasitic elements are suppressed or eliminated. My positions do however make me a Nazi by definition- national socialism with no ethnoreligious plurality and the minimization of parasitic elements. Economic centrism (mixed economy, private enterprise with strong state oversight to "straighten out" corporations that get too greedy) and socially far right.

This post was edited by El1te on Feb 21 2025 05:35pm

All of this to say is sex is far more complicated than male and female. Gender, sex, and human reproduction cannot be tidily sorted into two simple categories. There are too many anomalies and too much we don't fully understand.

Transgender people exist. They are real. Intersex people exist. They are real. Both are rare but just because a kind of person is rare doesn't mean they do not deserve the same rights as the rest of us.

A question I often wonder is if conservatives believe a person born a female, and raised a female, is she no longer a woman under the umbrella of gender and sex if she is infertile? How about vice versa?

And what about these cases of intersex people who are capable of producing fertile sperm or birthing a child? Is the person who can produce fertile sperm a man by default? Even if they look and share many physical similarities of a woman?

No. You don't understand what you're reading. Your TL:DR should read: Hermaphrodite failed to have babies. IVF was used to implant a fertilized embryo (not it's own). It was unable to give natural birth and a C-Section had to be performed. After 8.5 months, the baby was only 5.6 pounds.

The largest thing to note: It's Uterus (womb) was normal. Everything else was broken. It could not have babies of it's own. It could not give natural birth. In evolutionary terms, it was incapable of breeding. However, with the functional womb, IVF is EXACTLY what you'd want.

If we could figure out how to make functioning artificial wombs, we wouldn't need people to breed with each other at all. We'd just need fetilized embryos.