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Feb 19 2025 05:32pm
They lost a lot of good contracts with Europeans. Maybe they’ll get them back, maybe not. For now they don’t have them.

China won’t be giving them good price, knowing how dependent Russia is on them right now. That’s a cost of selling your gas cheaper than prior.

Russia-China love affair may or may not last. There were reasons they were enemies before, not all of them evaporated.

Building army, instead of producing something of real use is a cost. If you don’t believe me - take a month off from work, make a lot of fireworks in your garage and then one day blow them off in the air. That’s basically what military spending is.

They are partially cut-off from the global markets. It’s more difficult for them to get dollars. And Western investors can’t invest in Russian stock market. That’s a cost.

I didn’t say they are better off now than before war. They are better off now than if they had let NATO put missiles that can reach Moscow in Ukraine bases. But they had to pay for the safety.

Honestly, it’s a bit hypocritical of you to be insisting I answer this rather obvious question while ignoring all the points I’ve made. I sense you are not arguing in good faith, just trying fence with words like a lawyer in a court…


The prices Russia is receiving for their LNG from China are comparable to what they were expecting from Germany. They aren't taking a loss, if that's your question.

The prices they're getting on tech from China are LOWER than what they got from US Companies. And I'd be surprised if Russia goes back to working with US Tech companies, tbh.

Russia sells weapons, you know that, right? They don't just make them and stockpile them. They sell them. And have done for ages. Building up their munitions and weapons platform doesn't make them weaker, OR poorer. Because they're making far more than they're using, and can and ARE still selling their excess.

Getting dollars isn't actually an issue for Russia. If the US isn't trading with Russia, they don't need dollars. It's honestly a pretty simple thing. Their allies will trade with them in Russia's currency and their own currencies. What use is the USD without the US? The truth behind this is one of the most DANGEROUS results of this war. To the US. We REALLY don't want energy-producing nations trading energy in anything other than the US or Euro. But it's happening now. This is a SEVERE loss. For the US. For the EU.

Fact is I'm not ignoring your points, I'm addressing them. You just don't like my answers. Because what all my answers lead to is, "The west has shot itself in the foot, looks ineffectual, and is now weaker and worse off, while Russia has mostly turned it into a gain." So what I was attempting to do was give you an opportunity to explain what massive costs they've suffered. That's all.
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Feb 19 2025 05:54pm
Getting dollars isn't actually an issue for Russia. If the US isn't trading with Russia, they don't need dollars. It's honestly a pretty simple thing. Their allies will trade with them in Russia's currency and their own currencies. What use is the USD without the US? The truth behind this is one of the most DANGEROUS results of this war. To the US. We REALLY don't want energy-producing nations trading energy in anything other than the US or Euro. But it's happening now. This is a SEVERE loss. For the US. For the EU.


You don’t understand how the global monetary system works… You don’t need dollars just to trade with US. You need dollars (and TBills) to participate in the eurodollar market.

And no, being forcibly cut off from some markets where they could sell their natural resources is not a net gain, it’s a net loss.

I am not saying that Russia didn’t gain anything from this war, btw. I am just saying that there were some costs for them as well, which you absolutely refuse to acknowledge. And yes, losing couple hundred thousands working age males is also a big loss for their economy.

They were forced to defend themselves and they made lemonade out of lemons for the most part, but it doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have profited more from participating in the global economy as they did before the war.

Most of the benefits you list they could’ve gotten the same or better without the war.
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Feb 19 2025 05:57pm
Lets focus on our own country.
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Feb 19 2025 07:01pm
You don’t understand how the global monetary system works… You don’t need dollars just to trade with US. You need dollars (and TBills) to participate in the eurodollar market.

And no, being forcibly cut off from some markets where they could sell their natural resources is not a net gain, it’s a net loss.

I am not saying that Russia didn’t gain anything from this war, btw. I am just saying that there were some costs for them as well, which you absolutely refuse to acknowledge. And yes, losing couple hundred thousands working age males is also a big loss for their economy.

They were forced to defend themselves and they made lemonade out of lemons for the most part, but it doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have profited more from participating in the global economy as they did before the war.

Most of the benefits you list they could’ve gotten the same or better without the war.


You still don't understand the driving force behind the Petrodollar. Limiting energy-producing nations to the Dollar (or the Euro, more recently) gives the US and Europe control over the majority of the world's energy supply. It was cleverly done. Go into some third world country, say,

"Hey, you're starving, and we have all the food you could ever want, and we'd love to sell it to you!"
"Sounds great! What do you want in exchange?"
"We only deal in the US Dollar."
"But we don't have that."
"Oh, that's okay! You have this oil stuff. Tell you what we'll do, WE'LL drill out the oil, handle cleanup and security, and even all transportation costs. And we'll pay you USD for every barrel of oil we take out."
"And we can then use that money for food?"
"Of course! We're here to help, after all!"

Then, we turn around to other nations that're more productive and less reliant on such basic goods, but have high energy requirements and say,

"Hey! We have all this refined petroleum and gas products, as well as a massive amount of excess LNG and coal we'd like to sell you!"
"Sounds good. We have all these appliances and electronics and shit. That sound good?"
"Sorry no, we only deal in the US Dollar."
"Oh, well I don't have any of that."
"Well, it's okay! We've noticed that you have a combination of rare earth minerals and all these cool electronics and appliances and shit. We'd like to buy those from you, using this USD!"
"And we can use that to buy your energy?"
"Of course! We're here to help!"

Take a look at every nation that sought to get away from the USD and trade energy using something other than the USD, from Hussein's Iraq to Kadaffi's Libya. How are they doing now? Not only did we create the demand for the USD, but we enforced it's use, right up to and including toppling nations that refused to use it.

Which brings us to today. Right now, there are nations buying energy from Russia using currency other than the USD (or the Euro). The Dollar is the backbone of US/EU control. Chasing a nation away from it isn't necessarily a bad thing for US/EU interests. However, having that nation successfully trading energy, and having other nations trade FOR that energy, using something other than the dollar or euro? That's potentially catastrophic.

I'll stop there, but modern monetary theory doesn't work quite the way you invision. It's centered around monetary, energy and military control. And we no longer have that control, thanks to BRICS.

Hopefully Trump gets US energy production back to full swing quickly, because already OPEC and other energy producing nations are selling to BRICS nations for currencies other than the USD or Euro, and it won't be long, given those governments' ability to print money (just like we do), that we'll be priced out of the market. Remove the crude that we buy from elsewhere, we go from #1 refining nation to no longer a refining nation at all. However, if we open on-shore production back up, we remain #1 refiner, and it doesn't matter what Russia or OPEC or Venezuela or anyone else does. Everyone needs refined petroleum and gas products to keep their nations functional, and there are only a few nations out there with fully ramped up refineries to handle the load.
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Feb 19 2025 08:07pm
Lets focus on our own country.


By doing what? 99% people here live in front of a device so is the rest of internet. So when you say those words, what do you expect people to do exactly? 80%+ of the planet said yes master and took the vax and multiple boosters for a flu.
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Feb 19 2025 08:27pm
By doing what? 99% people here live in front of a device so is the rest of internet. So when you say those words, what do you expect people to do exactly? 80%+ of the planet said yes master and took the vax and multiple boosters for a flu.


Who cares about what the people think? Are they the ones in power or the government?
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Feb 19 2025 08:29pm
Who cares about what the people think? Are they the ones in power or the government?


Because the people are the one who can bring changes to our country. Politicians do what they're told to do behind the scenes. If you 100% think politicians work for the people, i have land to sell you on the moon.
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Feb 19 2025 08:34pm
Because the people are the one who can bring changes to our country. Politicians do what they're told to do behind the scenes. If you 100% think politicians work for the people, i have land to sell you on the moon.


I dunno. The guy in the white house right now seems to be causing havoc for the politicians and bureaucrats, and apparently for the benefit of the American People.

Seems like we are worrying about our own country. Secure the border, get the hell away from the Ukraine debacle, negotiate peace and reopen trade with Russia, kill the bloat in the Executive Branch.... All I see is winning.
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Feb 19 2025 08:37pm
Because the people are the one who can bring changes to our country. Politicians do what they're told to do behind the scenes. If you 100% think politicians work for the people, i have land to sell you on the moon.


What are u on about? The only thing people can do is vote. What change are you talking about that people can do? Revolution?
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Feb 19 2025 08:41pm
I dunno. The guy in the white house right now seems to be causing havoc for the politicians and bureaucrats, and apparently for the benefit of the American People.

Seems like we are worrying about our own country. Secure the border, get the hell away from the Ukraine debacle, negotiate peace and reopen trade with Russia, kill the bloat in the Executive Branch.... All I see is winning.


Cheap Russian Oil will flow, and we will be able to act as a closer intermediary for Russian LNG flipping to Europe.
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