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Feb 19 2025 02:44pm
By the standards of today's Republican. In fact he's further left than the average Democrat too, speaking from a relative perspective (key word is relative). How has our country gone so far right? Make no mistake he is a traditional conservative and super imperialist as almost all but one US President has been.
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Feb 19 2025 03:09pm
I'll bite. Franklin? Sure. Teddy?

Can't wait to see how you justify that.

Seems to me Teddy was pretty famous for going after corruption within the Federal Government, the exact same thing the current Republican President is.

He also broke up monopolies, exactly as Republicans have consistently demanded since the formation of the party.

In fact, I can't really see anything in particular that Teddy Roosevelt did that would make him part of the "left".

If you wanted to have a real discussion, we could point at a whole slew of Presidents, including Obama and Clinton, who gave speeches promoting views and actions that today's "left" claim are "far right" all the way from border control to balanced budgets.

But, without jumping the shark, can you specify what you mean? I'd tend to assess the entire Republican Party as far more left leaning than Teddy or the Republican party of that day was.
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Feb 19 2025 03:12pm
Left and right are political affiliations not political ideologies. Even in their most root history of the seating of the national assembly during the french revolution, disparate coalitions grouped themselves together
There's nothing ideologically coherent about a party that groups intolerant reactionary muslims with self-indulgent and self-congratulatory activists and ivory tower elitist snobs and shadowy corporate overlords and antiestablishment pinkos. Half the democrats want to kill the other half, but make no mistake on their seating

If Teddy Roosevelt were transplanted into the modern day it would be a bit like the SNL skit;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd7NjPYAH3k
Except he'd be punching the first tranny he sees
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Feb 19 2025 03:15pm
I'll bite. Franklin? Sure. Teddy?

If you wanted to have a real discussion, we could point at a whole slew of Presidents, including Obama and Clinton, who gave speeches promoting views and actions that today's "left" claim are "far right" all the way from border control to balanced budgets.


I'll agree to that but the reason why I consider Teddy more left-leaning than the average American president of today is simply because he went after the big banks and corporations. This is fundamental to leftist ideology. Of course, you could also make an argument that his conservationism is more left-leaning these days. I'm not entirely sure where I stand on that but I think a lot of people, republicans, especially, would agree. Since you see so many Trump supporters happy about the defunding of national parks and their federal workers.

If you put all else aside, he was a very progressive candidate for his time. Whether it be government reformation or labor reform (on the side of labor rights). He has many qualities of candidates like Bernie Sanders today and less qualities like your typical Republican.

But yes the topic title is clickbait. He isn't really a leftie.
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Feb 19 2025 03:18pm
Left and right are political affiliations not political ideologies. Even in their most root history of the seating of the national assembly during the french revolution, disparate coalitions grouped themselves together
There's nothing ideologically coherent about a party that groups intolerant reactionary muslims with self-indulgent and self-congratulatory activists and ivory tower elitist snobs and shadowy corporate overlords and antiestablishment pinkos. Half the democrats want to kill the other half, but make no mistake on their seating

If Teddy Roosevelt were transplanted into the modern day it would be a bit like the SNL skit;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd7NjPYAH3k
Except he'd be punching the first tranny he sees


When you bring up transgender people or Muslims; I have no doubt, him like any other person of that era, especially a politician isn't going to be "progressive" by what we consider today. But obviously I'm not referring to that.

With all out of the way though: He was a reasonable man. He might have had some extreme convictions in regards to social hierarchy but I do not think he would outright hate minorities that are seeking greater representation today.
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Feb 19 2025 03:24pm
He was masculine. Something that the left can't identify with anymore.
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When you bring up transgender people or Muslims; I have no doubt, him like any other person of that era, especially a politician isn't going to be "progressive" by what we consider today. But obviously I'm not referring to that.

With all out of the way though: He was a reasonable man. He might have had some extreme convictions in regards to social hierarchy but I do not think he would outright hate minorities that are seeking greater representation today.


But the rub is, his views don't translate from his era to our binary system. Everything boils down to democrats vs republicans even if our ideologies and issues are wildly divergent, even intraparty. Does a regulatory regime, trust busting, public conservation and mediating global peace while projecting strength have any way to fit as a square peg into the round hole of modern politics? Our system is schizophrenic enough with Trump being a strident anti-ideologue that we can't even take it per-issue. Trump put RFK Jr in place to regulate food and drugs like Teddy himself championed, but Roosevelt was particularly fixated at regulating finance that Trump wants to deregulate, while both of them cast their lot for labor over capitalists.

If its left vs right today Teddy would be in Trump's cabinet right now
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Feb 19 2025 03:27pm
He was masculine. Something that the left can't identify with anymore.


I don't think that's true. I think you're thinking of the liberal sector of the "left". I do agree that Democrat voters in particular have an issue with masculinity. But masculinity is an ever changing thing. I think the qualities you want in a father is ultimately the best way to measure what is considered a man.
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Feb 19 2025 03:30pm
But the rub is, his views don't translate from his era to our binary system. Everything boils down to democrats vs republicans even if our ideologies and issues are wildly divergent, even intraparty. Does a regulatory regime, trust busting, public conservation and mediating global peace while projecting strength have any way to fit as a square peg into the round hole of modern politics? Our system is schizophrenic enough with Trump being a strident anti-ideologue that we can't even take it per-issue. Trump put RFK Jr in place to regulate food and drugs like Teddy himself championed, but Roosevelt was particularly fixated at regulating finance that Trump wants to deregulate, while both of them cast their lot for labor over capitalists.

If its left vs right today Teddy would be in Trump's cabinet right now


I'm not entirely convinced he would be (In Trump's cabinet). But I also wouldn't make a strong argument either way. I think he butt heads too much with Trump and his love of nature would be a particular issue between them.

But I get what you're saying. It doesn't fit the standard of today's binary. I wish we didn't have this political binary.
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Feb 19 2025 03:32pm
I don't think that's true. I think you're thinking of the liberal sector of the "left". I do agree that Democrat voters in particular have an issue with masculinity. But masculinity is an ever changing thing. I think the qualities you want in a father is ultimately the best way to measure what is considered a man.


I don't think any masculine sector of the left exists in the present day. They have wholly villainized masculinity - to the point where it dawned on them that that was a big problem, so they tried some comically inept things like airing that disgusting commercial.
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