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Feb 19 2025 02:33pm
Define “lose”? They lost a lot of lives for sure.

Their economy lost a lot producing war equipment instead of something useful and financially sustainable long term.

China has now much more leverage on them economically and Xi obviously knows this and uses this against them.

They are not totally cut off the global markets, but the flow of money has been severely hampered.

They will get part of Ukraine, not sure how it all balances out in the end...
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Feb 19 2025 02:34pm
Define “lose”? They lost a lot of lives for sure.


Capitulation
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Feb 19 2025 02:35pm
So did Russia lose yet like all these social medias / corporate news outlet been claiming for years?


Edit: Shit, my eyes failed me.

Yes, Russia lost first week. There was a topic that assured us of it.

Sorry, somehow I magically read "Russia" as "Ukraine". My bad.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 19 2025 02:38pm
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Feb 19 2025 02:37pm
Who claimed Ukraine "lost"?

The claims I saw were that Russia "lost" or were "losing". This is an interesting flip to the script.


Where did you see i said ''Ukraine lost''?
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Where did you see i said ''Ukraine lost''?


See my edit. My apologies. :)
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So did Russia lose yet like all these social medias / corporate news outlet been claiming for years?

No, of course not. But the war cost them dearly. They'll try to recoup as much as they can out of Ukraine now.
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Feb 19 2025 02:39pm
No, of course not. But the war cost them dearly. They'll try to recoup as much as they can out of Ukraine now.


War is an investment

Russia's investment paid off, the acquired land will pay dividends in perpetuity
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Feb 19 2025 02:41pm
No, of course not. But the war cost them dearly. They'll try to recoup as much as they can out of Ukraine now.


We all lost. Not only Russia. All the $ we've donated to Ukraine being wasted or going missing. Canada went downhill bad throwing $ away we can't afford. We're getting closer to being a 3rd world country every days that goes by.
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See my edit. My apologies. :)


Np, happens to the best of us.

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Feb 19 2025 02:49pm
No, of course not. But the war cost them dearly. They'll try to recoup as much as they can out of Ukraine now.


I am still unclear exactly what the war cost them so dearly. Or perhaps we just value different things.

1. Russia's war machine production was down prior to the war. They had mostly been coasting by with Soviet-era trash. While they made new weapons, platforms, etc. they only made them in low quantities. Now their war machine is in full swing, and they're outproducing all of NATO combined on munitions. That's a win.
2. Russia's tech sector was highly dependent on US companies, as were certain areas within telecoms and even food manufacturing. With the sanctions, Russia has ramped up their tech sector and production. Again, a win for Russia.
3. Prior to the sanctions, China wasn't doing business in Russia for the highest profit sector (tech) at all, now nearly all the tech Russia has to go outside for is coming from China. This in turned opened up general trade between China and Russia. Again, win for Russia.
4. BRICS has been around for a long time. It was mostly a running joke. Thanks to the war, it is now a full fledged economic, political, AND military block. Now, rather than Russia being on poor terms with China, Iran, and North Korea, they're openly allied with all three, both economically AND militarily.

I don't know where the war is supposedly so "costly" for them. The only real cost to Russia, from this war, has been the human cost. And Russia is nothing if not reliable in ignoring human costs.
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