“Among 2 million inpatient stays for patients younger than age 65 with a primary diagnosis of a mental disorder or substance use disorder in 2016, public programs (e.g., Medicare, Medicaid) were the primary expected payers for approximately 60% of the stays, compared with private insurance in 27% of the stays and self-pay or no charge for 10% of the stays (2). These data did not specify the proportions of care that were involuntary or that led to out-of-pocket expenses for patients.”

https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2020.20030319

There doesn’t seem to be any available information specifically on what percent of involuntary mental health treatments are paid out of pocket, but based on this I think it’s pretty safe to assume it’s fairly rare. You’ll notice it says that public programs pay for most of these treatments.

I would guess paying out of pocket for involuntary care is much less common than for voluntary care, because the expectation for a mentally ill person to pay for treatment they did not want is inherently unrealistic. A patient’s family can pay for treatment if they’d like, they can’t be held financially liable though unless that patient is a dependent.

America has a privatized healthcare system. If I had to guess I’d say that there aren’t any state-run facilities for involuntary mental health treatment. I didn’t claim there were though, you’re moving the goalposts here.

That article is about inpatient care. There's a time limit, it's not long term treatment, and of course it's billed, it's a private service, not a government service, and the article is talking about how the service is being billed to public funding sources in some cases.

You can't find any names or information because all the insane asylums were shut down. Go back a few posts and click the Wiki article I posted. It'll tell you all about it. I wasn't trying to mislead you, friend. You're simply barking up the wrong tree. What you're talking about hasn't existed for a long time in the US.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 18 2025 09:24am

“Inpatient care” includes involuntary inpatient care, which is what that article is about. The time limit is decided by the courts and based on the advice of medical professionals.

Yes it’s paid by public funding sources “sometimes” and in this case “sometimes” means 60% of the time, whereas only 10% of the time these costs are paid out of pocket. Again though, I would expect the first number to be larger and the second significantly smaller(probably approaching 0%) in the specific case of involuntary inpatient care.

Also, there are state-run facilities still, at least in Missouri.

“Adult state-operated facilities provide inpatient and residential services to individuals committed by the criminal or probate courts.”

https://dmh.mo.gov/behavioral-health/treatment-services/specialized-programs/state-operated-psychiatric-hospitalfacilities

One such state-run facility for involuntary mental health treatment is the northwest MO psychiatric rehabilitation center, here’s a snippet from their web page, which is also linked below.

“Admissions are Missouri Revised Statutes Section 552 commitments through the court system.”

https://dmh.mo.gov/nmprc

I hope this satisfies at least one part of the argument.

This post was edited by Shadowoffury on Feb 18 2025 11:28am

You don't understand. "Inpatient Care" has a short time limit. An insane asylum can take a mentally damaged person in for life. Inpatient care cannot. Inpatient care is measured in weeks, not lifetimes.

You don't understand what the difference is, do you? The United States literally passed laws to prevent any future insane asylums from ever occurring, and you don't even realize they don't exist.

It's weird, friend.

It's just sophistry he understands completely

This post was edited by El1te on Feb 18 2025 11:34am

I'm going to be honest, I don't believe he does. I think anything that is similar to something is the same thing to his mind.

It would explain literally every post he's ever made in PaRD.

I'd say that is naivety

He's Jewish, it's an empirically observable pattern

Here it is again. Words don’t mean whatever you want them to mean in order to fit your current argument.

Show me a definition of “inpatient care” that supports your theory that it only includes short-term care. Doesn’t have to be a definition, maybe something on a government website suggests this? The definition is literally in the term. If you’d are a *patient* who stays *in* a healthcare facility, you are an inpatient.

The term “inpatient care” does not distinguish between short-term and long-term care. The terms “short-term care” and “long-term care” are used to make this distinction.

If you need any other simple terms defined, try google. If you feel the need to turn to cheap semantics, it may be a sign your position is untenable.

I posted evidence refuting Elite’s claim earlier that Canada can only commit people for up to three months, it turns out they can do so indefinitely, re-evaluating their condition every three months. He failed to respond. If you’d like me to do the same for your state then name the state.

This is a serious question. What podcast did you two get this bizarre opinion from?

I’d like to listen to it too.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/woman-arrested-after-explosives-discovered-tesla-dealership?intcmp=tw_fnc

40 year old "Woman" Lucy Grace Nelson, real name Justin Thomas Nelson, was arrested for trying to bomb a Tesla dealership out of hatred at Elon Musk and Donald Trump
He is an active militant redditor who posted a lot in tranny / antifa subs, with some saved deleted posts showing him grooming children confused about their gender and trying to get them to lie to their parents

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1894902640871428502

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 26 2025 11:55pm