You can still get measles and carry if it you're vaccinated.... if its 97% that's still 3/100 people who have any exposure. That warrants more than enough for the way the globe is connected now via international travel to have all kids vaccinated. Its an interconnected world regardless at this point.

Hence why its standard in Canada.

Somethings warrant vaccination, and such vaccination has proven to be highly effective. No need to turn backs on it now.

And if its not free, that's another issue on its own. Starts to make sense if it costs money as to why there might be a large group of unvaccinated kids.

This post was edited by SBD on Feb 17 2025 03:59pm

We got the same vaccination rates in the USA as Canada does, with exception of possibly MRNA Gene therapy models.
Last time this happened it was with Hasidic Jews on the east coast, which can also get religious exemptions in Canada too.

it sure is easier to blame illegals but a certain subset of people are refusing all vaccinations nowadays so shit like this is going to be more frequent

There were always religious exemptions, the Vaccine schedule in the United States was far too aggressive from birth compared to any other country that spaced out the vaccines over time.
That was the original complaint giving an infant 5-6 different vaccinations at once causes potential brain damage.
Most of the people who complained about vaccinations were mothers who had a child with vaccine injuries.
Now no doubt thanks to the bogus Covid-19 'Vaccine' a lot more people are critical of vaccinations.
There was a study of Unvaccinated home schooled children, to Vaccinated Public school system children, the home schooled children had no allergies.

This post was edited by PapaPsych on Feb 17 2025 04:16pm

Yeah, because mass migration from countries with lower vaccination rates than the US has no impact, right? Neither TX nor NM are in the bottom 10 states in vaccination rates for measles.

Sure, again as noted before. Its an interconnected globe. So if your kids unvaccinated from something proven to spread quickly and we have a ton of history on and success combating. Well your kids at risk from something we have a great track record on mitigating.

So leave it to a bunch of unvaccinated kids in Texas. I should say parents of unvaccinated kids.

Blame migrants all you want, we have a simple mitigation tool and the elimination of the majority of illegal migration wont eliminate the risk of measles, might reduce, but wont eliminant meaning there's still a need for kids getting shots.

This post was edited by SBD on Feb 17 2025 04:34pm

One thing about vaccines that gets me is this: if the argument for mandatory vaccination (an infringement on bodily autonomy) is collective public health, what is the argument against mandatory Ozempic shots for fat people?

I think the difference is involuntarily spreads, for the most part were not intending to make someone else sick and the vaccination prevents mass spreading.

Being obese is a choice. I don't think vaccinations would at all be mandatory if there was no spread risk. Now our tax dollars paying for their bad choices of being obese and related issues well..... its hard because you have to draw a line. We also pay for treatment of lifetime smokers and drinkers, etc. Getting into what we can admit for treatment under our public healthcare model and picking and choosing based on past choices, that's pretty difficult. Then you can delve down the rabbit hole of should public healthcare cover those who get injured doing high risk activities, and so forth.

This post was edited by SBD on Feb 17 2025 05:09pm

That is a good argument, however there is the equally valid argument that having fat people be out in public & visible is spreading the message to children that being fat is okay - thus increasing the likelihood that kids will grow up fat and see no problem with it. I believe the message that being fat isn't okay requires more than just lip service

Healthcare though, I've had the same opinion for years: voluntarily inflicted afflictions should not be covered, but involuntary afflictions (e.g. autoimmune diseases) should be covered

This post was edited by El1te on Feb 17 2025 05:13pm

That's why I'm perfectly for giving shit food the cigarette treatment. Look how fast we reduced smoking rates. Toss a grotesque obese person and image of clogged arteries on pop cans.

For a while there it felt like there was a large fitness craze and still does, but obesity statistics don't support that so I don't know what I'm seeing.