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Yeah and a lot of Christian conservatives like to poke fun at the awful laws in Islamic states whilst holding a double standard for their own theocratic laws. Not all Christians of course. But especially an American brand.


I think the definition of theocratic law is very fuzzy. For example, a law outlawing murder could be seen as a theocratic law which cited the 10 commandments

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Feb 16 2025 07:19pm
I think the definition of theocratic law is very fuzzy. For example, a law outlawing murder could be seen as a theocratic law which cited the 10 commandments


Yeah. A lot of laws are built on the foundation of religious moralism. The problem is when the purpose of the law is the withhold some divine unchanging law. Many of our religious laws have evolved to our current culture and I wouldn't want them to go away.
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Yeah. A lot of laws are built on the foundation of religious moralism. The problem is when the purpose of the law is the withhold some divine unchanging law. Many of our religious laws have evolved to our current culture and I wouldn't want them to go away.


I agree, these discussions are great to put things in perspective

One reason why I'm a Protestant supremacist is that freedom of religion/belief/conscience is a core pillar of the faith, which is in opposition to hierarchical churches which claim sole authority. And in very deep opposition to Islam which says kill the infidel no questions asked.

/e not all people who identify as Protestants share this belief however. There exist highly radical Protestant sects

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Feb 16 2025 07:26pm
Many Islamic nations have been relatively progressive. But there's no doubt that the majority of Islamic rule has become that of extremist or fundamentalist groups. This is intentional in a lot of cases. Whether it be Russia or the US, or Israhell funding and training Islamic terrorists. ISIS was created by Israel. The Taliban were propped up by the US.
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Feb 16 2025 07:28pm
Yeah. A lot of laws are built on the foundation of religious moralism. The problem is when the purpose of the law is the withhold some divine unchanging law. Many of our religious laws have evolved to our current culture and I wouldn't want them to go away.


what should the purpose of the law be if not to support an objective normative authority?
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Feb 16 2025 07:32pm
what should the purpose of the law be if not to support an objective normative authority?


Objective morality is a very broken concept. Morality is supposed to be subjective. Even if you are a Christian you have to admit there is killing that is justified and killing that is not justified. If a man whose family is starving steals to feed his children that is lesser than a man who steals for his own greed. I think even the 10 commandments is often misunderstood in religious context because there are too many examples within the bible where God himself permits breaking them.
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Objective morality is a very broken concept. Morality is supposed to be subjective. Even if you are a Christian you have to admit there is killing that is justified and killing that is not justified. If a man whose family is starving steals to feed his children that is lesser than a man who steals for his own greed. I think even the 10 commandments is often misunderstood in religious context because there are too many examples within the bible where God himself permits breaking them.


i really question that you are christian
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Many Islamic nations have been relatively progressive. But there's no doubt that the majority of Islamic rule has become that of extremist or fundamentalist groups. This is intentional in a lot of cases. Whether it be Russia or the US, or Israhell funding and training Islamic terrorists. ISIS was created by Israel. The Taliban were propped up by the US.


It's funny, in a morbid way, how the previous US regime intentionally destroyed those Islamic states which were more progressive & secular (Gaddafi and Saddam)

ISIS was formed from the ashes of Saddam's army

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There are some cases where it was clearly done with the intention of creating the big bad Muslim enemy so if they went out of line they could justifiably invade. Like with Hamas versus the PLO. The reality is Israel never wanted peace. They wanted an enemy so they could steal more land.

As for other Islamic extremist groups I think it's sometimes just a result of mistake or circumstance and not intention.
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It's funny, in a morbid way, how the previous US regime intentionally destroyed those Islamic states which were more progressive & secular (Gaddafi and Saddam)

ISIS was formed from the ashes of Saddam's army


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