i feel vindicated when neither side is happy with my positions and resorts to calling me the other party.



double plot twist, you dont know what you're talking about.

Would be interesting for old school pardians to revisit their views in 2008-2010 to see what they were right and wrong about

Iraq war, argued with goom, widow, et Al for a decade on this issue, they thought they were centrist on this issue back in the day lmao

Obviously correct there

Obama care

-How wrong I was here

This post was edited by Bazi on Feb 13 2025 10:02am

or more generally? socialized medicine, or? taxpayer paid health care.
a 'couple of ways to look at it?
looking at a 'sick person. one person may say "they spent a million dollars on him" another person may say "they made a million dollars on him"
the argument? what is the correct perspective?

yeah that does sound like both fun and cringe inducing. im sure i said a LOT that i wouldn't even try to stand by. i was still a social progressive and fiscal conservative but id bet i got a lot of stuff off.

widow was indeed right that without a japanese style occupation iraq and afghanistan were doomed to fail. we tried to have minimal involvement but bases there and it was a colossal failure.

I’ve commented a lot about it here. Can give you 5fg to find the posts

In short, the catalyst for corporate take over of healthcare

Well he was wrong about the WMD for 6 years before we got to those conversations lol

He also just contradicted himself all over the place

But we don’t speak ill of the deceased, the forum was better with him in it. he passed away before maga, would be interesting if he went McCain as that Was probably the guy closest to his mindset

i think about that a lot, he held a LOT of maga ideals, but was a pretty staunch neocon who wanted america to police the world.

i think by the time 2020 come around he'd be solidly maga even if 2016 was an HRC vote or no-vote from him.

Wouldn’t be So sure

He had health issues, quite a few. He was extremely pro vax, obviously he lived through the polio scare.

2016 I could see abstain

2020 Biden

2024 I think a clear maga switch

I have kept a very small number of PMs over the years and I have kept a couple conversations still with him. I do miss some of the old pard regulars even if we disagreed on a lot

This post was edited by Bazi on Feb 13 2025 11:04am

In retrospect, all discussion of politics from the years of ~1990 to ~2015 was nothing more than clowns dancing around in a circus. Over that time period, the West was an entirely captured society. I'm not guilty of being a dancing clown because I only became interested in politics around 2016 when the persecution of regime dissidents became readily apparent.

Shame on the older generations... shame.

This post was edited by El1te on Feb 13 2025 11:10am

i just posted what i posted for people to think about
is government about people or about profit?