I don't think you've actually studied tariffs to conclusively know that they do not work or do not result in domestic industry being maintained/lifted up. If you would you'd know that dozens of countries today use tariffs actively and one of the biggest industries that's protected through tariffs is farming, another one is various manufacturing i.e. steel making . Quite literally from India to China, to Japan to the EU and many others.

I still don't really understand why so many of you are so desperate for Trump to fail. We're literally 3 days into this and the sky fell 4 times, Trump has been proven wrong 9 times, everyone's 401k crashed, the collective hysteria without this not even beginning to play out is off the charts. I'm sitting here and tbh I've never thought there would be so many people so deeply invested and so hopeful for Trump to fail, even though him succeeding would quite literally mean better trade terms, more leverage for the US. Just curious what country do you live in? Maybe that'll help me understand why you're so desperate for this to fail.

They just want to vindicate their past words, feelings and actions tbh.

Bolshevism

They understand nothing.

I'm somewhat disappointed that Canada and Mexico both caved so easily.

30 days to secure the borders or it's right back to tariff time. I'd have preferred that we just tariff them. But his tariffs were too low. I think I'd like to see Canada tariffed like they tariff us. Such as the 241% tariff on milk, or the 298% tariff on butter.

Fucking Canadians use tariffs to INSURE that US producers can NOT compete in Canada. Meanwhile, they want to cry that we're willing to flex if they don't secure their fucking border?

Not many people want Trump to fail, at least Americans. You may be projecting your mentality you have towards the Democrats. I don't like Trump. However I do not wish for either of them to fail in a way that harms the majority of Americans or people around the world. It's fear, really. It's not a hope.

I remember when Trump took office I at least had some hope that he would deal with Israel better than the blood-thirsty Biden administration.

"They understand nothing" There's multiple references of well respected Republicans talking about the negative consequences of tariffs. Did you read what he posted? If not I can show you RONALD REAGAN speaking on this issue on a few minutes that perfectly encapsulates the problems with tariffs.

I don't care what republicans say. I'm not a republican and never have been.

You don't know your audience. You should probably simmer down. EVERY nation uses tariffs against the US. The US uses them against almost none.

Everyone else utilizes protectionism to harm US producers. It's time to hit them back. That's not what Trump is or ever was doing. He was seeking other results, and he's getting them.

So what was looking to be a very real potential win for populism and the American worker will instead turn into a political win regarding national safety.

I understand why he did it, and that it was the original intent. I'd prefer the tariff. Force the companies to come back or watch their record breaking profits tank. Because not enough money is being paid out to the US workforce for global corporations already selling at obscene profits to the US markets for Chinese produced trash to raise their prices. Choke out the global companies unwilling to produce in the US and all that's left is a strengthened US production base.

Globalists are the death of independent nations. The worst possible scenario.

This is quite embarrassing, but I have studied it quite a bit! Now I'm not an economist, but I do have a minor in economics from a semi prestigious college. But I'm also a diver so yeah. But you're right tariffs ARE extremely effective at preserving the industry they are placed on. But it's been decently studied how they don't actually INCREASE domestic production. If tariffs were so effective at increasing domestic production, they wouldn't be used as threats and they wouldn't be removed so quickly. And we wouldn't have evidence of them destroying jobs.

I don't want trump to fail. I don't want any president to fail. Any presidential failure weakens our country.

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You and I have posted here long enough to know that it's the same every cycle. I would caution to pretend otherwise, it's a polarized country, the second Obama was sworn in it was the same online, not as bad as today but I think that's likely because the internet arguing wasent what it is now but it was when Biden took office.

Probably Obama's fault. Thanks Obama.

You have to be joking with this? I guess we just outright sanction instead most the time.

And as far as other countries using them against us specifically that really isn't the case either. It's not just the United States. When you go to look at the list of nations and rates.. we're actually pretty well off in comparison to many other nations.