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Feb 3 2025 11:37am
Establishing a refugee camp which can hold a population of 2 million from the ground up would have taken too much time and cost far too much. Also, you underestimate the size of this camp, and thus the amount of troops required to guard its borders and make sure no weapons or Hamas fighters are smuggled in.


It would be a monumental undertaking, yes. But it would also be completely feasible. Saudi arabia has 3 million capacity in its hajj camps with 100,000 air conditioned tents in Mina alone
What requires more blood and treasure- building and guarding such a camp, or the multi-year invasion of Gaza and urban fighting? If a camp was starting from scratch and entry strictly done under guard, it wouldn't be a battle from within, it would be more like an open air prison and we've seen some massive prisons cleaning up south/central america being similarly effective. Israel would be dealing with issues like "Hamas is flying drones to airdrop weapons inside the camps", but that seems manageable.

The gazan war dragging out and becoming an expensive bloodbath was completely predictable and Israel is losing more than they would with full measured action to end Hamas. In classical times, simply massacring the Gazans would have been the effective answer. Yet an ethically guided military can be so adverse to short term harm and bad optics that it winds up causing more death and destruction than if it had taken more permanent and decisive measures, and displacing a population would have killed far less people than bombing in and around them in whackamole style.
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Feb 3 2025 11:43am
Israel Has Killed 53 in West Bank, Including 8 Children, in January Alone

In one recent raid, undercover Israeli forces shot and killed a 2-year-old Palestinian baby.
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Feb 3 2025 02:08pm
Someone should have told the USA during vietnam that all you have to do to destroy tunnels is flood them or pump them with gas.
>ground absorbs water
>water traps gasses
If the VC figured it out I'm sure Hamas has too.

As I said very early on, the sensible military solution was to simply relocate the entire population of Gaza to refugee camps under guard and with no outside smuggling, each person inspected so no weapons / hostages brought in. And then the only people left in Gaza would be militants in Tunnels, which could be systematically razed without urban warfare hiding in tunnels under population centers. They'd have to be destroyed one by one, but that grinding warfare is exactly what Israel got- just ineffectually, because they pushed Palestinians around like peas on the plate and never acted decisively.


Lol the reason gas wasn't/isn't utilized isn't physical limitations, it's muh war crime. And it's a war crime because it works.. too well.
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Feb 3 2025 02:16pm
Lol the reason gas wasn't/isn't utilized isn't physical limitations, it's muh war crime. And it's a war crime because it works.. too well.


Even if it works great, I find it hard to believe that Jews will use gas to kill others. The PR nightmare it’ll be :blink:
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Even if it works great, I find it hard to believe that Jews will use gas to kill others. The PR nightmare it’ll be :blink:


Yeah that's the main reason, bad optics is an understatement. I do think bad optics is better than letting your people be slaughtered though, similar problem here in the West with mass deportations being seen as 'bad optics'
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Feb 3 2025 03:25pm
Lol the reason gas wasn't/isn't utilized isn't physical limitations, it's muh war crime. And it's a war crime because it works.. too well.


Nah, its the physical limitation. Hamas utilizes the same premise that plumbers use to stop noxious gas leaking back through toilet/sinks. Its called a "p-trap", its basically a s shape with water blocking the pipe/tunnel on the underbelly.

Highly effective and very easy to build, especially in sand. This gives them more than enough time to blow the tunnel if need be. They place these before critical command/manufacturing hubs.

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Nah, its the physical limitation. Hamas utilizes the same premise that plumbers use to stop noxious gas leaking back through toilet/sinks. Its called a "p-trap", its basically a s shape with water blocking the pipe/tunnel on the underbelly.

Highly effective and very easy to build, especially in sand. This gives them more than enough time to blow the tunnel if need be. They place these before critical command/manufacturing hubs.

https://i.postimg.cc/Dypzns6J/images-2.jpg


They can't seal the tunnels this way unless they are swimming through that water trap every time they enter and exit.

Also they need to breathe in the tunnels, which means they need air intake.

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Feb 3 2025 04:34pm
It would be a monumental undertaking, yes. But it would also be completely feasible. Saudi arabia has 3 million capacity in its hajj camps with 100,000 air conditioned tents in Mina alone

Well, simply resettling the 900k-1.1m Palestinians to other Arab states at some point between 1949 and 1970 would obviously have been the best solution to this conflict. Since the 1970s, the population growth in Palestine became explosive and has transformed the problem into an intractable one. The Arabs back then didn't want to take in all the Palestinian refugees because they wanted to use them as a cudgel against Israel, as pawns which reinforce the Arab claim to the Holy Land.

Since then, the Palestinian population has undergone generations of ideological indoctrination and radicalization, culminating with Black September, when Palestinian refugees in Jordan attempted a coup against the king and were subsequently expelled. Back then, countries like Egypt or Saudi Arabia might have refused a resettlement out of ideological or religious reasons, but today, it has become an issue of sheer self-preservation. Nowadays, nobody in their right mind would take in Palestinian refugees in meaningful quantities.

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They can't seal the tunnels this way unless they are swimming through that water trap every time they enter and exit.

Also they need to breathe in the tunnels, which means they need air intake.


They use water pumps to pump it into a basin when moving their manufactured arms through the tunnels, and they have air vents riddled throughout. Most of the bigwigs stay in place when conducting their operations, so movement isnt an issue.

Id also imagine as time went on that most of the traps were empty with the pumps on standby if they started dropping dead.

They were taught these techniques by the Vietnamese and north koreans. The Americans figured out that the most effective way to destroy tunnels is flooding, but its harder when the tunnels have natural drainage due to the sand. Hamas spent decades perfecting these tunnels, and they bet the house on em. The israelis never could quite figure out how to destroy them. They tried seawater, expanding foam, and actually infiltrating them(with little success).

If the Israelis could use chemical weapons to destroy hamas in their tunnels, they would, and im willing to bet my life on that
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