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Feb 2 2025 07:23pm
You're somebody who missed the point of my post.


I didn't read your post I'm just curious, because I think alot of people here are finance guys? And is a lawyer?
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I didn't read your post I'm just curious, because I think alot of people here are finance guys? And ^Goomshill is a lawyer?


Goom is an autistic developer bruh. That's why this forum loves him.

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Goom is an autistic developer bruh. That's why this forum loves him.


Is he actually? Mad respect for developer autists if they are hypercompetent
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Is he actually? Mad respect for developer autists if they are hypercompetent


I say it with love.
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I say it with love.


Nowadays autist is essentially a complement
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Feb 2 2025 07:43pm
Doesn't it benefit trump's family into the future if the USA is as strong and wealthy as possible?
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Per capita Canada consumes and imports 4x as much American goods than America imports Canadian goods. Not including us companies that already operate here and profit here. This is just trump slapping his dick on a table and try to bully their biggest trading partners.
There may be a deficit in trade $ wise between Canada and USA but per capita (per person for you Americans) canadians spend a lot on American goods. And we are the largest consumer of American goods . But I digress good luck Trudeau will be out soon enough if that was the plan, but that was gunna happen already. This won’t end well on either side. Time to boycott America
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Feb 2 2025 07:52pm
This is one of the better explanations I've seen



https://x.com/ecommerceshares/status/1886119080970612806


Here's a better one:

Copied from a conservative sub

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This is a one dimensional false equivalency. Yes, both corporate taxes and tariffs raise prices on consumers. Though let's look at how they differ so we are better able to talk with our neighbors about it. Equating their economic impacts oversimplifies complex fiscal mechanisms.

**Corporate Tax Burden**:
- 31-38% falls on consumers through gradual price increases
- 38-42% absorbed by workers via reduced wages
- 20-31% borne by shareholders through lower returns

**Tariff Burden**:
- 90-100% passed directly to consumers through immediate price spikes
- Minimal absorption by foreign producers or domestic companies

**Corporate Taxes**: Progressive impact - shareholders (typically wealthier individuals) bear ~31% of burden

**Tariffs**: Regressive impact - low-income households spend ~56% more on tariff-affected essentials like clothing and food

**Revenue vs Cost Ratios**:
- $1 corporate tax increase generates $0.90 public revenue with $0.24 consumer cost
- $1 tariff revenue costs consumers $2.10+ through:
- Direct price hikes
- Reduced product variety
- Supply chain disruptions

**Additional characteristics**:

**Time Lag**: Corporate tax effects manifest over years through gradual market adjustments, while tariff impacts hit within months

**Wealth Distribution**: Corporate taxes partially target capital owners (top ~10% hold ~89% of stocks), while tariffs tax consumption patterns of all income groups, though with a disproportionate impact on lower income households due consumer goods being a larger share of living expenses

**Economic Multipliers**: Tariffs reduce GDP growth 2.5× more per-dollar collected than corporate taxes due to trade distortions
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##Why tariffs struggle to encourage domestic products:

While tariffs are often proposed as a mechanism to boost domestic production, evidence shows they fail to achieve this goal effectively due to three fundamental flaws

**Cost Inflation Across Supply Chains**:

Tariffs increase prices, particularly when applied to intermediate goods like steel or semiconductors. For example:
- **Washing machine tariffs** (20-50%) raised consumer prices by 12% ($86 average increase) while allowing domestic producers to inflate prices *without increasing output*
- **Downstream industries** (e.g., auto manufacturers using tariffed steel) face 15-25% higher production costs, reducing their global competitiveness

**Retaliatory Domino Effects**:

- **Trade partners retaliated** with $13.2B in counter-tariffs during Trump's first term, disproportionately hitting U.S. agriculture
- **Net job losses**: Steel tariffs created 1,000 steel jobs but eliminated 75,000 manufacturing jobs in steel-using industries
- **GDP contraction**: Every $1 in tariff revenue costs $2.10 in economic output through reduced trade flow

**Additional Case Evidence of Failed Protection**:

-**2009 Chinese tire tariffs**: Saved 1,200 jobs at $900,000 each while costing 3,731 retail jobs through higher consumer prices
- **Semiconductor tariffs**: Reduced domestic chipmakers' market value by 5.7% through supply chain disruptions

Tariffs ultimately create negative-sum outcomes where short-term industry protection comes at disproportionate long-term costs to economic efficiency, consumer welfare, and cross-sector competitiveness. Alternative approaches like targeted subsidies (CHIPS Act) or workforce development programs demonstrate higher efficacy in reshoring production without triggering inflationary spirals or trade wars.

The false equivalence between corporate taxes and tariffs primarily benefits wealthier shareholders seeking to avoid corporate tax liabilities, while shifting economic pain onto general consumers through less transparent protectionist measures.

Only the ultra-wealthy benefit from a trade war.

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Feb 2 2025 08:02pm
Per capita Canada consumes and imports 4x as much American goods than America imports Canadian goods. Not including us companies that already operate here and profit here. This is just trump slapping his dick on a table and try to bully their biggest trading partners.
There may be a deficit in trade $ wise between Canada and USA but per capita (per person for you Americans) canadians spend a lot on American goods. And we are the largest consumer of American goods . But I digress good luck Trudeau will be out soon enough if that was the plan, but that was gunna happen already. This won’t end well on either side. Time to boycott America


Per capita is an irrelevant metric. Bilateral trade should benefit both parties over the long run, not one party that just runs ever increasing trade surpluses into the tens of billions year after year and calls it fair. Fact of the matter is the US is an infinitely more important trading partner for Canada than vice versa. Because of that the partner that is much larger and subsidizes the smaller should be able to mold that relationship to its advantage.

There's no both sides-ing this issue. Canada accounts for less than 2% of US GDP while the US accounts for close to 20% of Canada's. Your boycotts would be an inconvenience for the US while the other way around and you would be in a deep recession lining up for bread. I mean i get why the Canada and Mexico and all of the rest will puff out their chest and pretend they can clap back but the US holds all of the leverage here. There will be concessions here, whether you like it or not, the question is either how big or how fast Trump gives up because markets are rolling over.


Here's a better one:


Only the ultra-wealthy benefit from a trade war.


This is one of the dumber conclusions I've seen so it's probably safe to discard everything else that got to it. The ultra wealthy hold much of their wealth in paper assets i.e. stocks of multinational corporations that benefit from as little taxes as possible and absolutely do not want tariffs. Tariffs = taxes and no corporations want these, that's why Bloomberg, WSJ and every other pro-business publication is churning out pieces like there's no tomorrow why tariffs are bad and why we shouldn't have them. I mean look at US stock futures, Nasdaq down over 2% on tariff news, you really think the ultra wealthy want tariffs?

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Feb 2 2025 08:30pm
lol these maple leafs talking tough in here.

e- People are going to be eating so much f***ing crow soon.

These next 4 years are going to lead to over a decade of prosperity.
worth it, so suck it up, dry the tears and play ball.

Get that commie b*****d Trudeau out of your ice hole.

This post was edited by Mondain on Feb 2 2025 08:37pm
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