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Feb 2 2025 11:34am
Why would US grocery prices increase from Canadian tariffs? Outside of Maple syrup, what groceries are Americans buying from Canada?

We don't import our food from you, heathen. We import them from Mexico. The average American's only real interest in tariffs on Canada is the fact that the price on Toyotas and Lincolns will go up. Which means we won't buy them. Which means the companies will bring a bunch more plants back to the US, because we're they're richest market.

Canada is a joke.


Potash but I don't think it's been tariffed (is that a word?) yet.

Where do you think US gets most of its potash from?

No potash = bad agriculture
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Feb 2 2025 11:39am
When is Trump going to put tariffs on Israel?
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When is Trump going to put tariffs on Israel?


You need look no further than his son-in-law to know where his loyalty lies.
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Feb 2 2025 01:04pm
When is Trump going to put tariffs on Israel?


That is a topic we cannot discuss here . :rofl:
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Feb 2 2025 01:05pm
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Feb 2 2025 01:09pm
Tariffs are not about hurting others but forcing foreign producers (many of which are huge corporations like Honda or Toyota or whatever) to bring production internally. If Toyota is looking at 25% tariffs on their cars going to US, then there is a huge incentive to move that factory from wherever in Canada to the US to avoid that tariff.

I grew up in a neighborhood that was once affluent and was essentially built around two Ford and GM plants close together. Back in the 80s and 90s it was considered a 'good' neighborhood. Fast forward to early 2000s and both Ford and GM decided that these US factories aren't that economical and they moved them out of here to a foreign country (including Mexico or Canada). The neighborhood slowly became shit. Eventually all the businesses that could strive as periphery beneficiaries because of those factories that employed thousands died out. The diners, the car shops, even the roads and other infrastructure became shit as it no longer made sense for the city to invest in that part of town to maintain. The people living there, the ones that could, moved out, many never found comparable paying jobs. The neighborhood now is left for dead. There's no businesses there, there's no where to work outside the McDonalds or some other run of the mill AutoZone or Dollar General or whatever other minor employer. My story is basically a copy paste of what has happened across dozens of cities across the rust belt and other parts of the country. Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Buffalo, Chicago, many millions impacted.

There is no easy or good way out of this. There's only so many service jobs available. There's only so many finance or IT or medical jobs available. The service economy is very fragile and dependent on consumption. We need to have some manufacturing base that's why Germany, Japan, China all fight for some piece of the manufacturing pie.

Many truly bought into the WSJ propaganda that tells people that all benefit when stuff is made somewhere else for cheap and brought here, but you have to realize who's paying WSJ to say that, and i can promise you it's not people that have your interest in mind but care about profit maximization.

We could continue to be cucked as we import everything and make nothing. They tell you it's the consumer that suffers, what they don't tell you it's also the Honda and Toyota shareholder that benefits from higher margins by producing in lower cost jurisdictions.


Quick question. When have tariffs actually done that?
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Feb 2 2025 01:25pm
Quick question. When have tariffs actually done that?


Ford literally makes Fords for the European market in Europe as to avoid the VAT (value added tax). If Europe can apply a VAT to their imports forcing US manufacturers to produce within the EU, why can't the US?
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Feb 2 2025 01:29pm
Ford literally makes Fords for the European market in Europe as to avoid the VAT (value added tax). If Europe can apply a VAT to their imports forcing US manufacturers to produce within the EU, why can't the US?


Surely it has nothing to do with the size of cars Europeans use (smaller) and the need for higher fuel efficiency..right?

Who told you it was all about the VAT?
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Ford literally makes Fords for the European market in Europe as to avoid the VAT (value added tax). If Europe can apply a VAT to their imports forcing US manufacturers to produce within the EU, why can't the US?


No, they still pay VAT, and Income Taxes, its aids.
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Feb 2 2025 01:32pm
Ford literally makes Fords for the European market in Europe as to avoid the VAT (value added tax). If Europe can apply a VAT to their imports forcing US manufacturers to produce within the EU, why can't the US?


Another point...ford opened its first plant in 1911 in EU, before the modern vat was even a thing (1958)

No, they still pay VAT, and Income Taxes, its aids.


The other thread needs your attention please.

This post was edited by Fgs on Feb 2 2025 01:33pm
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