IMO you are looking at it the wrong way.
If US wants to keep its position as the strongest economy in history, you have to provide the foreign aid.
It seems to me more as an investment rather than a donation. To Israel at least. Countries are buying more US arms as a result from this war. Maybe someone did the calculation.
That being said I support what you said about Israel be more independent with its military supplies.. from a different reason though.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Jan 28 2025 12:53pm

"In order for you guys to maintain your strength, you have to keep sending us barrels of money to prop up our own unsustainable foreign ethnostate, while we continue to viciously attack & persecute you for entertaining your own ideas of an ethnostate, while continuing to flood the region with weapons, perpetuating brutal war"

This is just sick.

When trump was asked why did the US released the 2,000 pounds bombs he said because they paid for it.
I can you something else tho, this will never happened again:
Our industries will produce more ammunition from now on so we wont rely on our allies that use it to tie our hands

Yeah, you got the point.

What is Israel's long term plan here? Leech off of the USA in perpetuity?

That's a bad plan because American sentiment towards Israel isn't set in stone. You guys should really be ramping up your own domestic arms production capabilities. You now have 1.5 million bodies under your control, put them to work. And you guys make awesome weapons, I'm a happy Tavor 7 owner. Uzi dream is still alive.

This post was edited by El1te on Jan 28 2025 02:07pm

Yes, it’s going there after 10/7.
IMO the Tavor is crap but that’s just me. I know many that are happy with it.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Jan 28 2025 02:47pm

Source? Uncle Sam is providing 70%+ of your budget to fight this war, so besides Israel, I can't see how the Israeli air force dropping basic bitch GBU/Jdams is enticing other countries to buy uncle sams toys in the age of drone warfare in Ukraine



You once got very upset with me because of my criticism of Israel, so allow me to return the favour.

It would seem that you have no problem with an ethnic cleansing, so long as its the Jews doing it to the Palestinians (collateral damage). Something Pard really struggles to grasp is that israel targeted CIVILIAN infrastructure because they didn't have the means to blow up hamas' tunnels, where they produce all their arms and munitions. Women and children got disproportionately killed because of Israel's inability to actually target Hamas.

I get that youre not a fan of hamas/Palestinian supporters. I dont like em either, and i want all muslims kicked out of Christian lands, but that doesnt mean I turn a blind eye to innocent people being killed.

I dont need someone to chime in and say that hamas was hiding in all those schools and hospitals or that the IDF has a 1:1 civilian to combatant ratio.

This post was edited by zorzin on Jan 28 2025 03:19pm

That is excellent, reducing the financial burden on the West will do wonders for mending the relationship.

It's very heavy which lots of people won't like

This war is very interesting from the standpoint of chemical weapons

Israel could have wiped out Hamas completely if they simply pumped chlorine gas, which is very cheap, into the tunnels. The moral justification for this is the same justification of dropping nuclear bombs on Japan - doing it would save countless lives & end the war for good. Israel has shown a profound weakness by not gassing the tunnels

/e doing this would also save the countless children, elderly & injured people who were slaughtered while sheltering in hospitals and schools.

This post was edited by El1te on Jan 28 2025 03:49pm

It's fair to turn the tables, but I think you're missing the mark here. I do not support ethnic cleansing for the sake of ethnic cleansing. I was willing to tolerate a rather high amount of civilian collateral damage during Israel's Gaza campaign as long as it served a worthwhile goal: neutering Hamas (at least for the time being), which in turn prevents future deaths among Israeli civilians. As soon as I felt like continuing this campaign would make no more meaningful progress toward this goal, my concern for the suffering of innocent Palestinian civilians took priority again, so that I now want this campaign to wrap up. (Side note: I disagree that what Israel did here ever qualified as a genoicde or an ethnic cleansing.)



They did go into a lot of those tunnels and destroyed them, though. Israel had to displace the civilian population living on top of those tunnels so that their own ground troops could gain access and go to work.






Gas does not destroy infrastructure. Without a bombing campaign or deploying ground troops to Gaza, the Hamas fighters could just have come out of their tunnels, waited until the chlorine gas had dissipated and then gone back in, with all their facilities and arms factories still intact. Also, you just know that Hamas would have seized the opportunity to shoot clips of children or women suffocating from the gas and thus fueling their propaganda campaign. And this would of course have been a death sentence for most of the hostages...

PR-wise, Israel was already on very thin ice anyway. Actually using a WMD on Gaza would have discredited them with large swaths of the global community once and for all. This is a completely batshit-insane idea the longer I think about it.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 28 2025 05:43pm