Not yet, but it's clearly winding down.

You underestimate Israelis resolve, this wont end until Hamas is not in control.

We're not very convinced

You guys capitulated because of hostage taking, thus incentivizing them to take more hostages later. Rewarding terrorist activity.

What kind of destruction does he think they'll achieve 15 months into this war which they hadn't been able to get done until now?

Imho, Isreal did a great job cleaning up and accomplished a ton, but now it's time to take the W and go home.

The destruction of his enemies?

I think the Israelis think about security a little differently than the 'good enough' opinions from people in Europe.

Support Israel. Support the mission to destroy Hamas.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 27 2025 10:05pm

The ideological support for Hamas among the Palestinians can't be fully destroyed unless you literally genocide them. (Actual genocide, not the propaganda term used by lefties throughout the past 15 months...)
You can take out their physical infrastructure, you can take out their leadership and field commanders, but Israel just won't be able to prevent Hamas - or a similar organization - from growing from the ground up again.


I was willing to give Israel a lot of leeway for conducting this campaign, was willing to accept a huge amount of collateral damage among the Palestinians (because fuck them). But the way I see it, Israel has now accomplished some 97% of what can theoretically be accomplished without murdering a huge chunk of the Palestinian population. Not that my opinion has any weight, but I, for my part, don't think that those remaining 3% justify hundreds of thousands of people continuing to be displaced, half-starved and -frozen. If that kind of nuance or weighing of interests makes me a "European wuss", then so be it.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 27 2025 10:20pm

I think Hamas aligns with the Nazis or Japanese in World War 2. They no longer exist in the real world. The ones left should be destroyed. Politics can happen now.

Germany and Japan were modern, successful, wealthy nations before going astray during the 1930s and 40s. After WW2, they quickly returned to their rightful place in the global pecking order, based on the strength of their institutions, cultures, industry and innovation. None of these factors apply to Gaza/Palestine.

Germany wouldn't be a peaceful, democratic country today if the Allies in May 1945 had continued to bomb German cities into the ground until the entire country lies in ruins...

Or perhaps the better example is Japan: what if the emperor hadn't given in after Hiroshima and Nagasaki and forced his pigheaded generals to finally do the right thing? Say the US had dropped another couple of nukes on Japanese cities, but they still refuse to surrender - what do you think the US should have done then? Because that's the situation Israel is faced with in Gaza right now: total military triumph, but an opponent whose leadership refuses to surrender and is willing to sacrifice unlimited amounts of its own civilian population.

I see and support all what you wrote
As an Israeli , it’s frustrating to not be able to solve this, to live in peace.
Even Assad fell and that’s after butchering hundred of thousands which makes the Gaza situation look like a walk in the park.
That’s makes me realise that Israel’s only option is to always be the strongest force in the region via alliances with US mainly and Europe. To be smart at politics and to prove the world what every Israeli already knows- the Palestinians intentions and which side is actively preventing peace over and over again.
I believe that this combination will finally bring the Palestinians to acknowledge the Jewish state and to drop their “all or nothing” claims.
It’s time to wrap up the war, release all hostages via similar deals and to begin playing chicken with the Palestinians via politics.
That being said I strongly support the IDF intervention in Gaza for any potential threat to the Israeli people.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Jan 28 2025 02:13am