That's interesting to me about Fallout, I didn't know and have never played it. The rot goes deep indeed.

The existence of this stuff in games clearly doesn't stop good games from still being made - however, my big issue here is the subversive messaging to children. Even if gayness is optional, it's a disease vector targeted squarely at children (whom video games are targeted towards). It's deadly poison to a young mild culminating in the madness and horror we see today.

Fallout 1, 2, 3, 4 and New Vegas are all incredible games. And I would not call the ability to seduce the same sex "rot". You can avoid any and all romance entirely if you choose to. Or you can initiate heterosexual relationships, or homosexual relationships. It's a role playing game, and quite frankly, having the ability to choose increases the immersion, it doesn't harm it.

But then, I don't view having an option for homosexuality in a game to be "woke". It's only when the option is removed, and you MUST deal with nonstop, invasive homosexuality throughout the game that it becomes "woke". And frankly, I have yet to run into any game that involves that kind of blatant, in your face "gayness" that had gameplay of a quality to make it worth playing.

Also, you're mistaken that games are targeted towards children. The majority of games are targeted towards the age range of 18-34, because that's where the largest share (38%) of gamers are. And the average age of gamers overall is 35, funny enough. Only 20% of gamers are under 18, and in general, younger gamers tend to play mobile games. Though a LOT of gamers were turned on to Fallout 4 by the recent Fallout Series released by Amazon, which was cool, ngl.

It obviously excludes the offspring of foreign diplomats, since those are quite literally not "subject to the jurisdiction of the US". The same is probably also true for foreign troops on US soil. And maybe it also excluded the Indians tribes back in 1898.


Birthright citizenship for the offspring of illegal aliens or tourists is a travesty and needs to end - but from my layman's perspective, the legal ground to challenge it is shaky at best.

This is why America is a degenerate shithole. You deserve what you tolerate. It starts with the acceptance of homosexual rot in games, and it evolves into gender clinics chopping off genitalia and kids getting groomed in schools.

A modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah

I would disagree that it's shaky. The parents are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, therefore they have no birthright. Seems simple. However, SCOTUS may see it differently.

The more important discussion is, what date is it effective from? There are millions of anchor babies. Born in the US, lived their entire lives in the US, granted Citizenship the day they were born. People in their 30's, 40's, and 50's. Good, Taxpaying Americans. So, what's the solution for those children who have already been granted citizenship? That's going to be the line of argument the pro-Illegal Aliens/pro-Anchor Babies take. Not, "You're going to harm the next generation of Illegals by removing the Anchor Baby cudgel," but instead, "They're trying to turn Citizens who've been citizens their entire lives into Illegals!"

Just wait.



A game is a game, fren. One of my favorite playthrough types on Fallout 4 is "Slaver/Cannibal". I detest slavers and believe any and all cannibals should be exterminated. It's a GAME, fren. Gay people play games too.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 23 2025 08:05pm

Illegals are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US

I agree with , like you I once thought that it wasn't a big deal, I loved and played Dragon Age a ton and never participated in the gay stuff, I knew it was there but it didn't bother me. It does now. The slippery slope is very, very real. Dragon Age displays this perfectly: it started mild, and now Dragon Age 4 pushes gayness in your face, no choice whatsoever.

My issue with libertarians or libertarian-adjacent people (I believe you're more libertarian, correct me if I'm wrong) is that they're on board with the pernicious idea that people should be permitted to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't explicitly harm others. The problem is that harm isn't always explicit, there are 2nd order 3rd order and onwards effects. The only difference between a libertarian and a leftist is that they disagree on the definition of explicit harm. A libertarian has a reasonable definition, while leftists believe that speech is explicit harm, and that theft is not.

And the idea is pernicious indeed. Look where liberalism has gotten us. It's a failed ideology. We tried, it failed, maybe now we should go back to the roots of our civilization and look at what is fundamental.

This post was edited by El1te on Jan 23 2025 08:13pm

I'm not Libertarian. I'm somewhere between a Classical Liberal and a Moderate Conservative. My voter card says "Non-Partisan" and has (depending on the State I live in) said either that or "Independent" for 24 years. When it comes to the subject of games? Classical Liberal. I have no issue with pron games, I have no issue with bloody violent murder games, I have no issue with demonic or satanic games, I have no real issue even with Woke games. Religious games can be fun, though they typically suck.

Reminder: They're just GAMES. If you want better games of a cleaner variety, invest in a studio to a point where they can afford the high quality developers that can build a game with incredible art and gameplay, that is uniquely fun, that spreads your Christian message, or whatever message you want spread.

No, my issue with games is when they don't give you any warning that they're trying to push something. Whether it's sex in general, drugs in general, violence in general, modern day politics in general, religion in general, whatever? To go and charge someone $60 for a game that's supposed to be about gameplay and immersion, only to have players realize they MUST be gay in the game, or that they MUST kill all the characters in the game that they actually like, or whatever is a serious downer on the entire industry.

Edit: Two of the most boneheaded things I've seen in games over the last couple years is games that had NOTHING to do with LGBTQXYZ123 OR Ukraine having their respective flags all over the games. The day NexusMods removed all the mods that removed those flags to repair immersion was the day I deleted my NexusMods account. Thousands of mods to add those flags to thousands of games, thousands of mods to add sex to games that didn't previously have them, thousands of mods to turn neutral games full woke, but you can't have mods that remove modern day politics from games where they don't belong? Not great.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 23 2025 08:26pm

See this is the fundamental question. Are illegal aliens subject to the jurisdiction of the US
Diplomats and their children/spouses depending on status are given explicit immunities and privileges. That's not so much true of maritime traffic or foreign troops on our soil, so there's a nebulous question of how 'jurisdiction' is defined here.
And it begs the question like someone crossing into an empty desert, giving birth and then claiming citizenship. Is that person actually subject to our laws? Could they be charged with crimes, and is that alone enough to say they are under our jurisdiction in that case, but not other exceptions

Based on the fact that illegal alien serial murderers have been convicted and sentenced to death, and their home nations have interceded to not only keep them from the chair, but to have them repatriated to their home nation to "Avoid International Incident" I would say that NO, illegal aliens are NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the US.