Have a good day sir

There are four reasons why we have this conflict:
a) Russia desperately needs people because they are low people country and their population further declining.
Ukraine was an important part of USSR empire, with all the factories, engineers etc.
c) Ukraine is first on Russia way towards west Europe.
d) Ukraine soil is rich, and food is an important asset in world geopolitics. You can influence and overtake poor countries with food.

Of course all evil people needed an excuse, Hitler said that jewish people are a risk for German people, and for Putin this excuse was NATO existence in Europe.
Everybody sane knows that absolutely fucking nobody in democratic western world wants to invade Russia, a biggest country in the world that also has most nukes in the world.

Bandera wanted to use Nazi as a tool, ally to get his country independence.
But Hitler didnt want that so he imprisoned Bandera.
Various countries played their politics during WW2 with Nazi: Hungary, Italy and Japan allied with Hitler.
If we dont blame these 3 countries today any longer, we shouldnt really blame too much Ukrainian Hitler supporters during WW2.
Of course it would be better if today ukrainians had a better, less controversial heroes to worship, but it seems they dont have another heroes to worship.
Its like countries worship their kings - sure they did horrible things, there was slavery, wars, inquisition etc but these kings kind of started our countries, so we still see them as heroes, despite the controversies.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Jan 22 2025 04:35pm

Again, you seem to completely dodge the comment and continue along the road of spewing factual lies.

1) Russia is the biggest country in Europe both in population and people. Double that of Germany. They literally don’t need more people.

2) Lands that modern Ukraine inherited after the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991 were a critical part of Russian empire for half a millennia. Russians fought tooth and nail against the Mongols and the Ottomans and then built all the cities we now take for granted.

3) Russia has no interest and no ability to pick a fight with Europe. It’s some ridiculous scare tactic used by warmongers to justify propping up military industrial complex. Nothing more, nothing less.

4) That much is true, Eastern Ukraine soil is rich and it produces a lot of food. Russia is a bigger food producer and exporter and doesn’t need extra land. Majority of food Ukraine produced in 2022-2024 went to rich countries like France and Netherlands, not Sudan or Egypt where they need it most.

Europe has invaded Russia several times and were successfully repelled and fought back which resulted in complete collapse of the invading alliance. In 19th century it was called the French Empire. In 20th century it was called The Axis. In 21st century its called NATO. NATO has been invading and destroying countries for the fuck of it for the past 30 years. Russians see all these invasions and know they are next on the line for a “peacekeeping operation to protect the indigineous people of Tobolsk” or some other bizzaro shit if they let it happen and don’t act. When you read public white papers from RAND dated 2019 outlying in minuscule details how to defeat Russia , one has to wonder what goes unpublished?
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdf


This post was edited by Malopox on Jan 23 2025 12:49am

I guess you agree then that people in NATO countries pay for NATO military spending including military aid to Ukraine?

Yesterday you said this

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So what is it?

Here in Poland we send to Ukraine mainly equipment that is near its expiration date.
Better to use it against potential enemy than to throw it away in some years.
Also I meant "Citizen", which is slightly different than "government" spending.
Government gets its money from citizens, but also from corporations, selling resources, selling various licenses and permits etc.
In western world people live relatively luxury lives, but when you ask average people "why dont YOU help Ukraine by sending them some money or material aid" they make multiple excuses like "covid, inflation, lack of time, I'm tired of war etc"
Governments in Europe are usually smarter than citizens, so they try to "sneak" some help to Ukraine, because they prefer Ukraine to stop Russia instead of Nato fighting with Russia, but they cant do much against their voters will, so the help aint big.

Poland would've just kept using it's military hardware just like other East European countries that were still using old Soviet military hardware from the cold war. We all know that.

As a matter of fact at the start of the war East European countries only gave their old Soviet kit away to Ukraine because NATO promised that it would be replaced.

These replacements are not free and taxpayers will need to pay for it and it's not cheap or "little".

NATO support to Ukraine has cost hundreds of billions that's the bottom line.

Poland in 2002 paid only 1euro to Germany for 15 MIG planes.
Germany were basically throwing them away.
22 years ago Poland was way poorer than today, at least we had *some* planes thanks to it.
After 20 more years we gave these planes to Ukraine:)
Their combat value is discusable. Russians are using Mig planes, that's true, but they use modernized version, while NATO only has old versions, that didnt get any upgrades. Also Russia has always given weaker versions of weapons to us, they knew we dont like their occupation of our country and can revolt one day. Smart Russian people, must admit it - we know them, they know us

Anyway it could be that NATO spent some resources helping Ukraine, but it was spent in NATO best interest.
Russia burned through their cold war equipment reserves, and lost about a million soldiers, what means they are less likely to attack NATO.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Jan 23 2025 04:52am

Probably another reason you hate them so much, you are both slavs.

So Poland got a very good deal. Maybe Germany (or better said NATO) thought that it was a good idea to bolster Poland's military taking into account you'd only joined NATO in 1999? See what I did there? Proving the point that NATO is expanding East and pumping military hardware into the new member countries

Anyways those planes never had a 1 Euro price tag, military hardware is very expensive taking into account research and development and everything that comes with it.

When are you going to be honest and agree that this is a simple fact, that military aid to Ukraine has cost billions?