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Jan 22 2025 06:17pm
Do you really think you can compare pre-mobilized Azov membership before the war, with post-mobilized AFU total forces during the war? It stands to reason the number of active Azov members scaled proportionally, and they've also been folding in the neo-Nazis recruited from overseas as mercenary forces, enough that whistleblowers spoke out about the war crimes their fellow mercs were committing. And again, that's just counting the formal Azov forces who are avowed neo-Nazis, we simply have no way to reliably estimate amount of Banderite / Nazi true believers and affiliates throughout the rest of the AFU. All I can do is sift through social media and war reports provided by both sides of the conflict. And in that vein, Nazis are definitely heavily represented among footage provided by the UA forces themselves, but that also begs the question of whether they're overrepresented- Azov types are so keen on spreading videos of themselves killing people on social media, while conscripts taken from rural farms in the UA hinterlands probably have a lot less access to english-language social media.

There's no way its less than the proportional 2% figure if you divided total AFU by Azov pre-mobilization. You see way more than 1 in 50 ukrainians with SS tattoos, black suns, etc. If you can't throw a stick in the air without it landing on a Nazi, they aren't a 0.001% of the forces


Yeah, I've seen way too many videos of some 50 year old mobik having been captured, and the first the Russians have him do is take his shirt off to show his Nazi tattoos and slap him around.
If this were a rare thing then they would of just disqualified people they were kidnapping for service from being liable if they had old neo-nazi tattoos.
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Jan 22 2025 06:31pm
Yeah, I've seen way too many videos of some 50 year old mobik having been captured, and the first the Russians have him do is take his shirt off to show his Nazi tattoos and slap him around.
If this were a rare thing then they would of just disqualified people they were kidnapping for service from being liable if they had old neo-nazi tattoos.


I take those with a lot more grain of salt than the ones the UA folks post for themselves. The moskals have a motive for selectively representing nazis among the khokols, but ukraine posts so many clips of their own nazis that its not even just in the social media of rando infantry, its even in their official press releases by propaganda outlets because they don't censor it carefully enough. They posted this one 3 weeks ago;

https://i.ibb.co/P4qBsFD/7ijj17xjq5ae1.jpg

Is he Azov? No such marking. But whoops that's a Nazi eagle badge on his lapel and SS thunderbolts on his rifle and... anime girl on his knife.
If Nazis are endemic enough among AFU rank and file that the folks they get to pose for propaganda photos happen to be third reich aficionados, I think 10-20% floor is a reasonable guess
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Jan 22 2025 07:58pm
Do you really think you can compare pre-mobilized Azov membership before the war, with post-mobilized AFU total forces during the war? It stands to reason the number of active Azov members scaled proportionally


Azov got absolutely decimated at Mariupol, so the figure is even less now. I found an article from 2024 claiming that theyre set to expand to 7k. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/05/13/azov-brigade-is-once

So its still basically a very small drop in a very large sea of soldiers. But let's say that 10-20% of AFU personnel have swastika tattoos; is this a justifiable reason in your eyes to let the Russians decimate their country? Ive seen plenty of heinous acts and brutal torture from both sides—political affiliations don't come into question when these events occur. A bunch of impoverished Ukrainians with SS tattoos aren't resurrecting Hitler's dream anytime soon, so i believe the whole "uncle sam is arming nazis" is a moot point in the grand scheme of things
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Jan 22 2025 08:10pm
I take those with a lot more grain of salt than the ones the UA folks post for themselves. The moskals have a motive for selectively representing nazis among the khokols, but ukraine posts so many clips of their own nazis that its not even just in the social media of rando infantry, its even in their official press releases by propaganda outlets because they don't censor it carefully enough. They posted this one 3 weeks ago;

https://i.ibb.co/P4qBsFD/7ijj17xjq5ae1.jpg

Is he Azov? No such marking. But whoops that's a Nazi eagle badge on his lapel and SS thunderbolts on his rifle and... anime girl on his knife.
If Nazis are endemic enough among AFU rank and file that the folks they get to pose for propaganda photos happen to be third reich aficionados, I think 10-20% floor is a reasonable guess


Yeah at an operational level this is the just like IDF soldiers posting their war crimes to Tiktok.
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Jan 22 2025 08:56pm
is this a justifiable reason in your eyes to let the Russians decimate their country?


I am American. I do not need a reason to justify "letting" anyone in the world do anything they want. I need a reason to care.
If Russians and Ukrainians fight each other, it doesn't affect me. I don't look at a conflict between the Cameroonian government and Ambazonian separatists and say hey, how can America let Cameroon and his Nigerian allies get away with decimating the Biafran-backed Ambazonian separatists who you have never heard of before in your entire life until this PARD post you read just now. That's how many shits we give. If I'm asked whether the US can play a role in mediating peace and serving a humanitarian interest in ending a war, it sure as hell isn't helped by shipping heavy weapons to Nazis to carry on a losing war. If I'm asked whether Russia is eroding American geopolitical interests in eastern europe and exerting a sphere of influence, I'd say that its their sphere that got intruded upon and we're only sabotaging our own interests and empowering Russia by prolonging a losing conflict.
Which leads right back to the question of why should we care, why should we ever frame it as "letting" them
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Jan 23 2025 01:39am
Meanwhile in Germany

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Jan 23 2025 04:31am
The outrage with Musk’s nazi salute is well-deserved, but those in the anti-Trump camp today have spent 10 years closing their eyes and whitewashing the fledgling cult of nazi collaborators as well as contemporary neo-nazis that are part of Ukraine’s mainstream today. Countless senior Western politicians routinely end their Ukraine speeches on the OUN chant causing ovations, not outrage - and this is just a tip of the iceberg. The satire below is so very much about them.

The far right habit of trolling the “normies” by claiming that what they see has nothing to do with nazism as at the heart the mainstream political culture that developed in the pro-Ukraine camp over years.

One of senior Azov military commanders, Dmytro Kukharchuk, sends all pro-Ukraine “liberals” warm greetings - from the heart to the sun.





This post was edited by Malopox on Jan 23 2025 04:33am
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From heart to sun, we'll never let go,
One four eight eight, the numbers we know.
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Jan 23 2025 10:45am
this thread is really about lingering butt hurt over twiter purchase
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