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Jan 8 2025 08:32pm
That is a great point and actually is a reason to burn vs let it rot. The emitted gases combust better in the high efficiency stoves. You should really check that book out. The wood supply was crucial for WWII countries and some decent case studies around it


If you burn a tree it's "carbon neutral", because burning it releases all of the carbon dioxide it removed from the atmosphere throughout it's life back into the atmosphere. Allowing it to decompose, or burying it, is "carbon negative", because the carbon dioxide it removed from the atmosphere during it's life is not all released back into the atmosphere. By burning trees you are entirely negating the positive impact they have had.
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Jan 8 2025 08:51pm


Forget the brush management, forget that California had record rainfall a year ago and was demolishing dams instead of building new reservoirs to retain that water


record rain = lots of new growth
lots of new growth + drought = fire risk

its not a grand conspiracy
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Jan 8 2025 09:11pm
record rain = lots of new growth
lots of new growth + drought = fire risk

its not a grand conspiracy


It is incompetence though. They're slowly starting to learn but the problem has existed my whole life. There's no money for forest management... and then everything's on fire and there's all the money in the world to fight the fire. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Jan 8 2025 09:26pm
It is incompetence though. They're slowly starting to learn but the problem has existed my whole life. There's no money for forest management... and then everything's on fire and there's all the money in the world to fight the fire. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


The majority of money for forest management in the west didn't come from taxes until the 80's and 90's... You know, when boomers came to power? Prior to that, it was primarily funded by the logging companies. The more the logging companies have been heavily regulated, prevented from logging most of the year, prevented outright from logging on many state and federal lands, the worst it has gotten. A couple of the duties of the logging companies that were faithfully carried out for well over a century? Clearing out the underbrush, clearing out the dead and fallen, and replanting 3 trees for every 1 cut down.

Add in the fact that cash crop logging was being performed on many of the state and federal lands for so long, there's no forest diversity. You have cash crop trees that were never intended to go uncut for longer than 20-30 years, are high in pitch and easily catch fire, and the picture becomes clear pretty fast.

record rain = lots of new growth
lots of new growth + drought = fire risk

its not a grand conspiracy


When you are eliminating dams and other means of water storage and retainment, excess rain runs off to the ocean and fresh water is not available as either firebreaks or to combat drought. You can't fight fire with salt water, fren. You salt the earth and insure things don't grow if you try. Most of California's drought isn't due to lack of rainfall, it's due to regulations designed not to protect anything, but instead to impose the maximum taxes and fees for any form of infrastructure. Not merely the building of said infrastructure, but it's continued existence and maintenance as well.

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It is incompetence though. They're slowly starting to learn but the problem has existed my whole life. There's no money for forest management... and then everything's on fire and there's all the money in the world to fight the fire. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


this is exactly it
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Jan 8 2025 11:58pm
record rain = lots of new growth
lots of new growth + drought = fire risk

its not a grand conspiracy


It is incompetence though. They're slowly starting to learn but the problem has existed my whole life. There's no money for forest management... and then everything's on fire and there's all the money in the world to fight the fire. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


These two are the correct answers. I live in CA and we should be taking more preventative measures but we don't have the budget (at least there isn't a large enough budget allocated to fire/forest management). We had a measure on the recent ballot to increase the budget for fire protection which got approved (it does increase our property taxes if you are curious).

Also, for people that are curious, I will expand on what gnarjay said. This is my understanding so take it with a grain of salt. The record rain will give more growth to vegetation and then the drought and dry conditions foster the ideal environment for brush. People do their best to clear the brush but its hard since there is so much of it. Then if you get unlucky, you will get the Santa Ana winds which creates the perfect situation for wildfires to occur. Small accidents will rapidly get out of control. The Santa Ana winds this time around were ranging from 80-100 mph. Yes, it is really that powerful. That much wind makes it almost impossible to get any fire under control.

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Jan 9 2025 12:11am
These two are the correct answers. I live in CA and we should be taking more preventative measures but we don't have the budget (at least there isn't a large enough budget allocated to fire/forest management). We had a measure on the recent ballot to increase the budget for fire protection which got approved (it does increase our property taxes if you are curious).


If they properly allocated even a fraction of the money that goes to the green scam,
not only would there be money to take preventative measures for fires,
there would be enough left over to lower your taxes.

But instead of that, they funnel billions of dollars into the green scam.
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Jan 9 2025 12:28am
If they properly allocated even a fraction of the money that goes to the green scam,
not only would there be money to take preventative measures for fires,
there would be enough left over to lower your taxes.

But instead of that, they funnel billions of dollars into the green scam.


You just keep repeating buzz words and saying nothing of substance.
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Jan 9 2025 12:38am
You just keep repeating buzz words and saying nothing of substance.


The green scam people pay my land tax via state grants.
All I have to do is cut a few trees every year.
I understand how out of control it is and how much money is being wasted.

People are suffering, losing their homes and businesses.
The green scam folks just keep pushing their agenda regardless.

In the coming months, these 'buzz words & nothing of substance' will be brought into the light.
Your favorite president 45-47 is going to affect the green scam.
When the talking heads on tv tell you it's okay to use those buzz words, you won't come back and apologize.
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Jan 9 2025 01:03am
The green scam people pay my land tax via state grants.
All I have to do is cut a few trees every year.
I understand how out of control it is and how much money is being wasted.

People are suffering, losing their homes and businesses.
The green scam folks just keep pushing their agenda regardless.

In the coming months, these 'buzz words & nothing of substance' will be brought into the light.
Your favorite president 45-47 is going to affect the green scam.
When the talking heads on tv tell you it's okay to use those buzz words, you won't come back and apologize.


Give specific examples.
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