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Jan 1 2025 09:54pm
His mother was roman, so you're half right I guess. His father was punic though, which makes him as punic as he was roman. He considered himself to be punic, famously covered Hannibal's tomb in the finest marble and promoted his image positively throughout the empire.

It might bother you to learn that Augustine was also punic.

Why do you think the punics were exterminated? That's not even a theory anyone has except you. Rome took a ton of punic slaves from carthage, and there were literally hundreds of punic settlements which were not destroyed.


They did take alot of punic slaves, who were not allowed to reproduce obviously, thus exterminated. North Africa was colonized by Romans, Augustine was about 600 years removed from the destruction of the punics. Augustine was Roman and about as Punic as Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee.
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Jan 1 2025 10:03pm
Most intelligent people realize that crude identity politics sucks and isn't the solution. Or that people from a socially-defined tribe hating another tribe can't possibly be "a matter of biological principle". :rolleyes:

Just to name one example: Twenty-five years ago, you didn't have a problem with creeping Islamism in majority-Muslim Indonesia, nowadays, you do. For some reason, the people of the most populous Muslim country in the world weren't born as raging radicals who hate the West just one generation ago; nowadays, this sentiment is constantly gaining ground. How do you square that with a race- or biology-based perspective on the issue?




Fact of the matter is that people are mostly shaped by their upbringing and socialization, by the values, mores and behaviors they grew up in. People who grew up in a shithole country will have a much harder time leaving its shithole culture behind and becoming integrated, productive members of successful societies. Likewise, people whose socialization took place in a social environment dominated by a rigid and belligerent religion will be inherently more prone to religious radicalization.

Those are statistical arguments and don't imply causality or inevitability on an individual level. The correct conclusion is "no more immigration from shithole countries", but this doesn't mean that Muslims or brown people are inherently inferior, nor that all of them hate us and want us dead.


yes and no

there is something inherently wrong with certain people and you can never trust them, we have had way too many attacks etc by people who were born and raised in the west and had first world surroundings

that being said, for some groups like pakistanis and even some turks it makes sense

stone age religion meets multiple generations of marrying your cousin, no wondee
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Jan 1 2025 10:03pm
They did take alot of punic slaves, who were not allowed to reproduce obviously, thus exterminated. North Africa was colonized by Romans, Augustine was about 600 years removed from the destruction of the punics. Augustine was Roman and about as Punic as Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee.


You didn't mention all of the punic settlements which Rome did not destroy.

Tiberius crucified the punic priests to saturn because they were secretly still worshipping baal... ~200 years after you believe the last punic person died.

Literally no one believes the punics were exterminated except for you, their language survived for hundreds of years after the destruction of Carthage. Who do you think was speaking it?
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Jan 1 2025 11:15pm
The trump vegas bomber has been identified as Matthew Livelsberger, 37 year old white male from Colorado Springs with a military background similar to the new orleans attacker, and his home is being raided right now
I mean unless there's like 3-5 coincidences at once, its a coordinated terror attack

Still, 37 year old white guy doesn't really scream "ISIS" like the black guy living in a muslim ghetto

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 1 2025 11:16pm
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Jan 1 2025 11:54pm
really though on the balance what do you guys think it is, related or unrelated

for: same day, same military background, kinda similar attack, same car rental service
against: black muslim with ISIS flag, versus guy whiter than cheesecake

Same day attack could be explained by terrorists just playing for new years day for extra spectacle. Same car rental could just be because its such a go-to major brand. Military backgrounds aren't too overlapping
motive for whitey doesn't make much sense, his wife just gave birth this summer, he's active military and in a good spot. Hajji on the other hand was a deadbeat dad, living in a broken down shack, broke/unemployed, muslim enclave, etc, plenty of indicators.
I'm guessing this is unrelated

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Jan 2 2025 02:43am
really though on the balance what do you guys think it is, related or unrelated

for: same day, same military background, kinda similar attack, same car rental service
against: black muslim with ISIS flag, versus guy whiter than cheesecake

Same day attack could be explained by terrorists just playing for new years day for extra spectacle. Same car rental could just be because its such a go-to major brand. Military backgrounds aren't too overlapping
motive for whitey doesn't make much sense, his wife just gave birth this summer, he's active military and in a good spot. Hajji on the other hand was a deadbeat dad, living in a broken down shack, broke/unemployed, muslim enclave, etc, plenty of indicators.
I'm guessing this is unrelated


ISIS flag? Shouldn't they be friends with Israel and the US? Are there good and bad ISIS guys? How to discern them? Maybe just maybe, we need a good ISIS guy with a gun for every bad ISIS guy with a gun? :lol:

My condolences to innocent victims.

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ISIS flag? Shouldn't they be friends with Israel and the US? Are there good and bad ISIS guys? How to discern them? Maybe just maybe, we need a good ISIS guy with a gun for every bad ISIS guy with a gun? :lol:

My condolences to innocent victims.


but sardonics aside
what are the actual odds a 37 year old white guy with an active military career, baby and wife at home was in league with an ISIS terrorist to carry out a coordinated attack
it appears these two were from the same military base

There's some seriously conflicting details here to push it either way. Too many similarities, too little cause. If this guy was a closet islamist convert, he kept it secret from everyone.
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Jan 2 2025 04:32am
but sardonics aside
what are the actual odds a 37 year old white guy with an active military career, baby and wife at home was in league with an ISIS terrorist to carry out a coordinated attack
it appears these two were from the same military base

There's some seriously conflicting details here to push it either way. Too many similarities, too little cause. If this guy was a closet islamist convert, he kept it secret from everyone.


Jabbar dude was becoming a loser. I'd interpret his act more like a vengeance towards the society with a possible PTSD prior from his military days. There is not much info about the second perpetrator. If you have some links, share them.
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Jan 2 2025 05:44am
Jabbar dude was becoming a loser. I'd interpret his act more like a vengeance towards the society with a possible PTSD prior from his military days. There is not much info about the second perpetrator. If you have some links, share them.


Matthew A Livelsberger, 37 years old white male, wife and daughter born this past summer. Active military service, special forces intelligence sergeant, defense analysis and strategic studies degree, remote and autonomous systems manager (drones), green beret. 19 years military service, 18 in special forces.
Both Livelsberger and Hajji Bin Jafar served at Fort Bragg, and both were deployed to afghanistan circa 2009-2010. Both committed terrorist attacks on the same day, both trying to do car bombings, both with rented electric vehicles from the turo app.
The investigators in new orleans say they believe shamshir dindun jabbar had assistance or accomplices in his attack and are conducting search warrants in other states
Jabbar was clearly motivated by ISIS: A brokeass deadbeat unemployed divorcee muslim guy who had recently toured egypt and lived in an enclave and his family say he got indoctrinated online. He brought an ISIS flag with him. That would be a clear motive, open and shut case
Livelsberger has no apparent motive, no obvious reason he would turn terrorist for any cause let alone ISIS. Even though the police have formally identified him as a suspect and raided his home, I can't help but wonder if his identity got stolen / framed and he was murdered, because that seems more likely than him being an ISIS sleeper agent who decided to... get married and raise a kid?

There are some coherent hypotheses bout what happened here. Livelsberger's wife was very vocally liberal, perhaps he was touched by the TDS too and was doing an anti-Trump suicide bombing, I mean we already had at least one retard burn himself to death last year. And it was just a string of coincidences it landed so closely aligned with the other guy. Fort Bragg is basically a city, most grunts deployed to afghanistan, turo is the #1 car rental app (not service) and makes sense for those avoiding detection by in-person registration. A cybertruck makes sense if it was some kind of lashing out at elon/trump.

But police seem reasonably confident Livelsberger was the person killed in the suicide blast, so unless this was some utterly insane contrived plot where he was being held hostage by a phone operator threatening to blow up the bomb and ordering him to drive- I can't figure it as anything else than a suicide attack. One very poorly implemented, which actually clashes with the guy having so much military expertise. Even I as a layman with next to zero explosives know-how can tell you that gas tanks, fireworks and fuel don't pack the explosive power to destroy anything made of steel outside the container you put them in. Not like 6500 lbs of ammonium nitrate that mcveigh used. Maybe if he actually was the self-immolating type it makes sense, but a smaller vehicle might have seriously injured some bystanders or people behind the windows.
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Jan 2 2025 07:45am
He cant be terrorist because atheists dont have the power, its all about the power dynamics and as an arab atheists he's a minority squared.


also:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/know-victims-orleans-attack-210402942.html

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