1. The H-1B visa program was established by the Immigration Act of 1990, signed into law by President George H.W. Bush.
2. comparables:

United States: Population ~330 million, Scheme: H-1B Visa, Annual Cap: 85,000.
Canada: Population ~40 million, Scheme: Express Entry & Global Talent Stream, Annual Cap: ~465,000 (overall immigration).
United Kingdom: Population ~67 million, Scheme: Skilled Worker Visa, Annual Cap: No fixed cap (~165,000 granted in 2022).
Australia: Population ~26 million, Scheme: Temporary Skill Shortage (TSS) Visa, Annual Cap: ~137,000 (2023–2024 target).
Germany: Population ~84 million, Scheme: EU Blue Card, Annual Cap: No fixed cap (~50,000 issued in 2022).
European Union: Population ~447 million, Scheme: EU Blue Card, Annual Cap: No fixed cap (~36,000 issued EU-wide in 2022).
New Zealand: Population ~5 million, Scheme: Accredited Employer Work Visa (AEWV), Annual Cap: No fixed cap.
Singapore: Population ~5.6 million, Scheme: Employment Pass (EP), Annual Cap: No fixed cap.
Japan: Population ~125 million, Scheme: Specified Skilled Worker (SSW) & Highly Skilled Professional Visa, Annual Cap: No fixed cap (~345,000 planned under SSW by 2025).
Ireland: Population ~5 million, Scheme: Critical Skills Employment Permit, Annual Cap: No fixed cap.
France: Population ~68 million, Scheme: Talent Passport, Annual Cap: No fixed cap.

note: a common rationale for having no fixed cap on skilled immigration programs is that the demand for such visas has not exceeded what the system can manage.

These schemes are typically used for countries to fill in gaps in the work place that the country is unable to organically occupy (you shop for the best staff on the international market).

in the case of the USA, if an American wants USA to be 2nd, or 3rd or 4th, 5th in the world, he/she/it/they/them should oppose the H-1B visa program. If you want USA to be #1 then, short/medium term you have to have such schemes in place in order to recruit the most skilled workers, noting there is a shortfall in the country (this is not unusual, rather normal, in most countries). It takes *generations to train workers in a new field, therefore mechanisms are required to employ the right workers now, when you dont have them. long term the USA should have a government that organically trains excellence across the board, resulting in not needing skilled workers from elsewhere.

This would mean radically improving its education, and incentivizing / protecting certain fields of training / employment.

*a generation in this instance is 3 years.

The top 5 countries for primary education are:

1. Singapore
2. Hong Kong (China)
3. South Korea
4. Japan
5. Finland

no sign of USA here. fix this.

2nd level education (highschool)

1. China (Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang)
2. Singapore
3. Macau (China)
4. Hong Kong (China)
5. South Korea

this list should be a wake up call for americans - fix your education or you will be consigned to history.

and college level education, USA as a population ranks 19th in the world with only 39% attending college 18-24.

I basically outlined the foundation of China's growth and the growing problem of the US. Sure you can bomb these countries, but that just creates grudges and only delays the fundamental issue / problem (where the US is not growing enough expertise organically).

TLDR: if you are chinese or russian and you see the USA getting rid of The H-1B visa program you will laugh all day long at the stupidity of it on the part of the US.

very happy to debate this with anyone! (i see you goom!)

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 29 2024 02:44pm

USA already has too many bums,

It's time to only allow educated earners in.

The problem is that USA/Canada *already* has those skilled domestic workers, the wealthy corporations would simply rather hire an Indian, who is far less skilled but can still push buttons, and give them a far smaller salary, suppressing wages nationwide.

We have a crisis of STEM graduates who are abandoning the field because all the work opportunities have been usurped by Indians who work for pennies on the dollar.

This happened to me - I'm a skilled chemist, but I'm in the process of changing careers because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. My old lab, ran by a Moroccan Muslim immigrant (very skilled, he was a stern man I liked him well enough) hired nearly all Indians with PhDs from India (which are mostly fake). They were all fairly clueless and needed guidance everywhere. I helped them, guided them, told them what to do. They could do the job well enough, but a native stemlord like me could run circles around them. They would ask for help/me to fix it for them before even *attempting* to solve the problem. This meant that we had to fly in the Thermo techs to fix instruments where they couldn't, which cost a sh*tton.

The wages are now completely suppressed into irrelevancy (all the way from BSc to PhD, a chemist will make less money than an apprentice tradesman) and *all* the labs are *completely* staffed by foreigners, either Indian or other, who can barely speak English and are vastly inferior workers. The state of laboratories in Canada is now an absolute joke, results cannot be relied upon, it's now work that's only slightly above minimum wage. All my fellow classmates have long since abandoned the field or are graduating and will find out really soon.

The skill is all right here, it's just dormant because why would a highly intelligent person work for pennies when they could change fields and work for dollars?

Meanwhile, China actually pays and supports their *own* people to practice science and technology. They don't import Indians, so why should we? We should simply invest in our own.

Absolutely agree on fixing the education & bolded is most important, although post-secondary science education in North America is still #1 worldwide, that's why the Chinese come here to study then go back to China with their new knowledge.

This post was edited by El1te on Dec 29 2024 03:38pm

Let's not forget, China and Russia use North Korean slave labor.
So when Trump for example talks about unfair business practices in foreign nations.
That's about as unfair as it gets.

If Americans are willing to turn a blind eye to things like this.
They're willing to turn a blind eye to who is being imported.

And this is how we end up with ohio pet topics.
Because now it's affecting American lives, they're unable to turn that blind eye.

These 'work visas' are related to what i'm saying.
They import people from south america, africa, etc and give them a job.
a van comes around in the morning and takes these people to those jobs.

Then states get 'special' funding for working with these import details.

This post was edited by Mondain on Dec 29 2024 03:32pm

That's right, if we are actually serious on the topic of geopolitical competition, we would have to use slaves like they do. This is partially why I think that instead of mass deportations we could instead utilize their human capital for mass pseudo-slave labour (work camps) so that they can repay their debt to our nation. The proceeds from this restitutional labour can then be used to subsidize education & jobs in science in technology.

This post was edited by El1te on Dec 29 2024 03:35pm

I think you don't get it. "The overlords" don't care about what you think or do. They just try to minimize costs and maximize the profits. Where you can save the most the conventional way is by reducing labor cost. Importing ready made adults is easier than growing your own with shitloads of $. The other positive side is you keep your competition weak through brain drain. Cheap labor, ununionized and from multiple nationalities is unlikely to oppose you.
So all in all, multinational companies aren't interested at all in investing even a penny into the education system.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Dec 29 2024 04:30pm

bless

h-1b is only 1 type but its one with an automatic extension period which often people don't understand that and wonder why peopel are staying why their ead expired

Whites move to South Africa and improve the place due to work ethic and intelligence? Racism.

Indians move to the United States and displace whites from their jobs due to their superior work ethic and intelligence? Fuck yourself in the face.


Right?

work ethic and intelligence?